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I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by steve1977 »

moron4hire wrote: post #227
steve1977 wrote: post #189

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> all white collar jobs collapse Then everything collapses. The carpenter will also be out of work if more than half of his client base cannot afford his work anymore.

This idea doesn't sit well with me. Like, I recognize it very likely could happen, but it feels kind of like a dumb magic trick. Like learning economy goes up because people generally believe economy should go up. If everyone is out of a job, then what is the point of the economy? Who is doing what work for whom? If nobody can afford anything, then why are we even doing this? And, at some point, needs have to be met.…

> it feels kind of like a dumb magic trick.

Welcome to capitalism.

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Post by verzali »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #160
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #50

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Yeah but it’s in his interest to encourage an arms race with China.

Answer the question. If the USA pauses AI development, do you think China will?

What about the reverse? If China announces a unilateral pause, would the US follow?

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Post by Izkata »

qnleigh wrote: post #113
scrollop wrote: post #45

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Gpt2- "too dangerous to release"

Oh funny, I forgot about that. But at the time it didn't seem unreasonable to withhold a model that could so easily write fake news articles. I'm not so sure it wasn't..

Either 3 or 3.5 also had "it tricked our researchers and tried to to escape so we had to dumb it down before release" marketing. What actually happened was someone asked it something like "how would you escape detection" it replied telling the person that, basically just regurgitating a regular sci-fi plot.

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Post by slekker »

bovermyer wrote: post #54

My feelings on AI are complicated. It's very useful as a coding autocomplete. It provides a fast way to connect multiple disparate search criteria in one query. It also has caused massive price hikes for computer components, negatively impacted the environment, and most importantly, subtly destroys people's ability to understand.

Thanks, this summarised my feelings as well.

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Post by andirk »

csa wrote: post #244
AstroBen wrote: post #168

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Some of my friends bought a tonne of bitcoin when it was around ~$100 because it was clearly the future. I'm still not sure if I was an idiot or smart to reject that

> I'm still not sure if I was an idiot or smart to reject that Both. Smart because you realized that BTC is an incredibly flawed currency, or store of value, or whatever you want to call it. Idiot because you grossly underestimated the desire of the general public to gamble on the “next big thing”.

Regular stonks are incredibly flawed, or whatever you want to call it, and the general public gambles on them as "the next big thing". None of that is unique to BTC, albeit more extreme with BTC. One should look at a potential investment as both its real world usage _and_ increased speculation.

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Post by just6979 »

ModernMech wrote: post #201
queenkjuul wrote: post #192

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For me it's just wildly unpredictable. Sometimes it gets a small task perfectly right in one shot, sometimes it invents an absurd new way to be completely wrong. Anyone trusting it to just "do its own thing" is out if their mind

For me I would ask it to do a simple thing and it would give me the tutorial code you could find anywhere on the Internet. Then you ask it to modify it in a way that you can't find in any example online, it will tell you it's fixed everything, but actually nothing has changed at all or it's completely broken. I think if someone's goal was just the tutorial code, it would have been very impressive to them the AI can s…

It only takes a cursory knowledge of what LLMs really are to understand why recreating tutorials is easy, but making actual new stuff that is well engineered (takes way way more than "passes the test suite") is difficult.

Actual novel stuff is so far out on the long tail of iterations that it's a gamble: it might pop up in an early run, or might take 2000 prompts and $20,000 worth of tokens. And it's still not really engineered, it's 10,000 monkeys with typewriters copying random shakespeare snippets off the chalkboard. At some point you'll get all of Hamlet, but most of the time you'll get garbage, and sometimes you'll get Romeo & The Taming of The Tempest.

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Post by big_paps »

ponector wrote: post #264
verdverm wrote: post #52

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Where were the massive devastating wars last time this happened with the internet and mobile phone?

There were no massive devastative wars back then simply because people who went through WW2 were still alive and kept political power. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. Some people say ww3 had already started.

Germany also went through hell in WW1. Hitler himself fought and was wounded. But still he was not a pacifistic politician.

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Post by viccis »

biophysboy wrote: post #172
viccis wrote: post #18

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Anthropic has been the most histrionic about this, with their big blog post about how they need to make sure their models don't feel like they are being emotionally abused by the users being the most fatuous example.

I missed this - which blog post?

https://www.anthropic.com/research/exploring-model-welfare
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