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I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by vpribish »

im3w1l wrote: post #86
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

When trying to look infer people's motives don't just look at what they are doing. Look also at what they aren't doing. Alternatives they had and rejected. If marketing it was the sole objective there are many other stories they could have told, but didn't.

what are a couple of those alternatives?

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Post by bpodgursky »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #50
bpodgursky wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You guys can hate him, but Alex Karp of Palantir had the most honest take on this recently which was basically: "Yes, I would love to pause AI development, but unless we get China to do the same, we're f***, and there's no advantage unilaterally disarming" (not exact, but basically this) You can assume bad faith on the parts of all actors, but a lot of people in AI feel similarly.

Yeah but it’s in his interest to encourage an arms race with China.

OK, but the other view equally compatible with the evidence is that he is scared of getting rolled by an AI-dominant China and that's why he's building tools for the dept of defense.

Like I said you can believe whatever you want about good-faith motives, but he didn't have to say he wanted to pause AI, he could have been bright-and-cheery bullish, there was no real advantage to laying his cards out on his qualms.

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Post by avazhi »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #118
avazhi wrote: post #112

People don’t hate AI because they’re scared of it taking their jobs. They hate it because it’s massively overhyped while simultaneously being shoved down their throats like it’s a panacea. If and when AI, whether in LLM form or something else, actually demonstrates genuine intelligence as opposed to clearly probabilistic babble and cliche nonsense, people will be a lot more excited and open to it. But what we have cu…

this feels like a comment out of 2023. Ever since reasoning models they have become much more than "probabilistic babble".

Hence why I mentioned a few tricks to cover the shit smell.

Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by heraldgeezer »

SL61 wrote: post #138
lambdasquirrel wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, if you haven’t heard first-hand (i.e. from the source) at least one story where some exec was at least using AI to intimidate his employees, or outright terminating them in some triumphant way (whether or not this was a sound business decision), then you’ve gotta be living in a bubble. AI might not be the problem but the way it’s being used is.

This has been the message at the F100 that one of my relatives works at. The CEO's increasingly aggressive message to their hundreds of thousands of employees is that they should figure out how to get 10x faster with AI or their job is on the line. The average non-technical white collar employee doesn't know the details of how LLMs work or any of the day-to-day changes in tooling that we see in the tech industry. All…

I do love that.

My career is built on people not knowing how to Google lmao (IT)

To most people, AI is chatGTP. Maybe Gemini.

Claude? No idea.

VS Code, Cursor, Antigraivity, Claude Code? Blank stares.

Same as when the computer came, some will fall behind. Excel monkeys copy pasting numbers will go, copywriters, written word jobs = already gone. Art for simple images = AI now all done by one person.

Unless you want a Soviet system where jobs are kept to keep people busy.

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Post by biophysboy »

bpodgursky wrote: post #26
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

You guys can hate him, but Alex Karp of Palantir had the most honest take on this recently which was basically: "Yes, I would love to pause AI development, but unless we get China to do the same, we're f***, and there's no advantage unilaterally disarming" (not exact, but basically this) You can assume bad faith on the parts of all actors, but a lot of people in AI feel similarly.

The reason you think its honest is because you already believed it.

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Post by braebo »

Frost1x wrote: post #101
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

Tech has slowly been moving that way anyways. In terms of ROI, you’re often much better off targeting whales and large clients than trying to become the ubiquitous market service for consumers. Competition is fierce and people are poor comparatively, so you need the volume for success. Meanwhile if you go fishing for niche whales, there’s less competition and much higher ROI for them buying. That’s why a lot of tech…

It’s capitalism moving everything that way. Always has been and will continue to until we’re all hooked up to tubes paying taxes with ectoplasm.

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Post by RHSeeger »

drewbeck wrote: post #131
dmm wrote: post #31

> The classical cultural example is the Luddites, a social movement that failed so utterly Maybe not the best example? The luddites were skilled weavers that had their livelihoods destroyed by automation. The govt deployed 12,000 troops against the luddites, executed dozens after show trials, and made machine breaking a capital offense. Is that what you have planned for me?

I caught that too. The piece is otherwise good imo, but "the luddites were wrong" is wrong. In fact, later in the piece the author essentially agrees – the proposals for UBI and other policies that would support workers (or ex-workers) through any AI-driven transition are an acknowledgement that yes, the new machines will destroy people's livelihoods and that, yes, this is bad, and that yes, the industrialists, the g…

My take was that it's not

> We should hate/destroy this technology because it will cause significant short term harm, in exchange for great long term gains.

Rather

> We should acknowledge that this technology will cause significant short term harm is we don't act to mitigate it. How can we act to do that, while still obtaining the great long term gains from it.

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Post by AstroBen »

californical wrote: post #111
zug_zug wrote: post #32

Part of what's going on here -- why we have this gap in what we say we fear and how we act, is just a human deficiency. I remember when Covid got out of control in China a lot of people around me [in NY] had this energy of "so what it'll never come to us." I'm not saying that they believed that, or had some rational opinion, but they had an emotional energy of "It's not big deal." The emotional response can be much s…

But it’s worth being careful - you could’ve said the same thing 3 years ago about NFTs. They were taking off and people made very convincing arguments about how it was the future of concert tickets, and eventually commerce in general. If we started writing lots of laws around NFTs, it would just be a bunch of pointless (at best), or actively harmful laws. Nobody cares about NFTs today, but there were genuinely good i…

Some of my friends bought a tonne of bitcoin when it was around ~$100 because it was clearly the future. I'm still not sure if I was an idiot or smart to reject that

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

surgical_fire wrote: post #105
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. The rate of progress in the last 3 years has been over my expectations. The past year has been increasing a lot. The last 2 months has been insane. No idea how people can say "no improvement".

If your expectations were low, anything would have been over your expectations. There was some improvement in terms of the ability of some models to understand and generate code. It's a bit more useful than it was 3 years ago. I still think that any claims that it can operate at a human level are complete bullshit. It can speed things up well in some contexts though.

> It's a bit more useful than it was 3 years ago.

It's comments like these that make me not really want to interact with this topic anymore. There's no way that your comment can be taken seriously. It's 99.9% a troll comment, or simply delusional. 3 years ago the model (gpt3.5, the only one out there basically) was not able to output correct code at all. It looked like python if you squinted, but it made no sense. To compare that to what we have today and say "a bit more useful" is not a serious comment. Cannot be a serious comment.

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Post by nosianu »

co_king_5 wrote: post #96
Ancalagon wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these botted comments or just sarcasm?

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It's unclear if you are merely joking or whatever you are actually doing here. Your comments don't say much of anything. People here reward and want useful comments that take the discussion seriously. If you don't, what are you doing here commenting nothingburgers? YOU are the one writing short substance-free complaint-only comments, complaining about other people.

That said, a well-reasoned text should probably go on a blog site, not here, or here only as link. Otherwise you are wasting a lot of effort, with only few people even noticing your comment and the discussion soon entirely disappearing into history.

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