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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by maxbond »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #207
hedora wrote: post #82

Oh crap. I just logged into HN to ask if anyone knew of a working alternative to the Claude Code client. It's lost Claude's work multiple times in the last few days, and I'm ready to switch to a different provider. (4.6 is mildly better than 4.5, but the TUI is a deal breaker.) So, I guess it's time to look into OpenAI Codex. Any other viable options? I have a 128GB iGPU, so maybe a local model would work for some ta…

Zed with CC using ACP? Opencode with CC underneath using Gigacode? OpenAI codex is also another viable path for what its worth. I think the best model to my liking open source is kimi k2.5, so maybe you can run that? Qwen is releasing some new models so I assume keep an eye on those and maybe some model can fit your use case as well?

Zed's ACP client is a wrapper around Agents SDK. So that will be a TOS violation.

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Post by planckscnst »

slopinthebag wrote: post #69
Uehreka wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how can they even enforce this? Many ways, and they’re under no obligation to play fair and tell you which way they’re using at any given time. They’ve said what the rules are, they’ve said they’ll ban you if they catch you. So let’s say they enforce it by adding an extra nonstandard challenge-response handshake at the beginning of the exchange, which generates a token which they’ll expect on all requests going for…

the internet has hundreds of thousands of super smart coders with the most powerful ai models as well, I think it's a bit harder than you're assuming. you just need to inspect the network traffic with Claude code and mimic that

When they blocked OpenCode, I was in the middle of adding a feature. I don't think it's possible to mimic CC in an undetectable way and have the feature work.

The feature allows the LLM to edit the context. For example, you can "compact" just portions of the conversation and replace it with a summary. Anthropic can see that the conversation suddenly doesn't share the same history as previous API calls.

In fact, I ported the feature to Claude Code using tweakcc, so it literally _is_ Claude Code. After a couple days they started blocking that with the same message that they send when they block third party tools.

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Post by Unearned5161 »

scwoodal wrote: post #148
Unearned5161 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a literal sublet to someone else, it’s subletting your tokens to another tool. At its core it’s a tragedy of commons situation. Using a third party tool like OpenClaw is augmenting your usage far beyond what was anticipated when the subscription plan was made. Same deal for unlimited storage on drive until people started abusing it.

My Claude sub isn’t unlimited. I didn’t set the limits on the plan; change those if it’s a problem, not irritate your customer base.

You have strong dedication towards taking things literally.

The issue is not that it's limited or unlimited, but rather about expected token usage across a user cohort. When you set a usage limit on something like Claude, or a gym, or a tutoring center, you need to do two things at once; set the limit high enough to attract the aspirations of your intended client base ("oh good this gym lets me go every day of the month if I want to"), but priced accurately enough so that you actually turn a profit on the average usage across most users (you ended up going 20 times the first month, but settled into 15 times a month after).

If there was suddenly a drug that you could take that would, while you slept, make your body walk to the gym and workout, so that you could max out that usage, the gym would be entitled to adjust either the pricing, the limit, or prohibit going to the gym while on the drug, given that they can't actually sustain all their members going every day.

As a correction, I've done some reading and when I said tragedy of the commons, what would fit better is a "congestion externality in a club good".

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Post by petesergeant »

atlgator wrote: post #184

AI is the new high-end gym membership. They want you to pay the big fee and then not use what you paid for. We'll see more and more roadblocks to usage as time goes on.

This feels more like the gym owner clarifying it doesn't want you using their 24-hour gym as a hotel just because you find their benches comfortable to lie down on, rather than a "roadblock to usage"

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Post by minimaxir »

aydyn wrote: post #213
minimaxir wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sonnet was not trained with this information and extremely-recent-information-without-access-to-a-Web-Search-tool is the core case of hallucination.

Sonnet does have search available FYI.

LLMs are lazy about using Search unless explicitly prompted to do so (either explicitly or by implying it with phrases such as "recent").

In the OP's case, there is no motivation for the LLM to perform a Search.

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Post by adrianN »

sciencejerk wrote: post #147
adrianN wrote: post #115

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Cars have also been dropping in price.

Evidence for this claim?

A few generations ago almost nobody could afford a car, now many low income families afford two.

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Post by dudeinhawaii »

ac29 wrote: post #107
sambull wrote: post #94

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these subscriptions have limits.. how could someone use $200 worth on $20/month.. is that not the issue with the limits they set on a $20 plan, and couldn't a claude code user use that same $200 worth on $20/month? (and how do i do this?)

The usage limit on your $20/month subscription is not $20 of API tokens (if it was, why subscribe?). Its much much higher, and you can hit the equivalent of $20 of API usage in a few days.

I think you've stated this in reverse.

API limits are infinite but you'd blow through $20 of usage in a maybe 1 hours or less of intense Opus use.

The subscription at $20/mo (or $200) allows for vastly more queries than $20 would buy you via API but you are constrained by hourly/weekly limits.

The $20/mo sub user will take a lot longer to complete a high token count task (due to start/stop) BUT they will cap their costs.

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