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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by JimmaDaRustla »

sambull wrote: post #80
paxys wrote: post #31

I don't think it's a secret that AI companies are losing a ton of money on subscription plans. Hence the stricter rate limits, new $200+ plans, push towards advertising etc. The real money is in per-token billing via the API (and large companies having enough AI FOMO that they blindly pay the enormous invoices every month).

The secret is there is no path on making that back.

My crude metaphor to explain to my family is gasoline has just been invented and we're all being lent Bentley's to get us addicted to driving everywhere. Eventually we won't be given free Bentley's, and someone is going to be holding the bag when the infinite money machine finally has a hiccup. The tech giants are hoping their gasoline is the one that we all crave when we're left depending on driving everywhere and the costs go soaring.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by minimaxir »

exabrial wrote: post #77

The number one thing we need is cheap abundant decentralized clean energy, and these things are laughable. Unfortunately neither political party can get all of the above.

Are you implying that no one would use LLM SaaSes and everyone would self-host if energy costs were negligible?

That is...not how it works. People self-hosting don't look at their electricity bill.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by hedora »

minimaxir wrote: post #58
sawjet wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with using X?

In the case you are asking in good faith, a) X requires logging in to view most of its content, which means that much of your audience will not see the news because b) much of your audience is not on X, either due to not having social media or have stopped using X due to its degradation to put it generally.

c) it is controlled by a direct competitor and can bury / promote your customer communication at will.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by sambull »

vicchenai wrote: post #83

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these subscriptions have limits.. how could someone use $200 worth on $20/month.. is that not the issue with the limits they set on a $20 plan, and couldn't a claude code user use that same $200 worth on $20/month? (and how do i do this?)

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by bluegatty »

theptip wrote: post #52

I think this is shortsighted. The markets value recurring subscription revenue at something like 10x “one-off” revenue, Anthropic is leaving a lot of enterprise value on the table with this approach. In practice this approach forces AI apps to pay Anthropic for tokens, and then bill their customers a subscription. Customers could bring their own API key but it’s sketchy to put that into every app you want to try, and…

There's no decision to be made here, it's just way too expensive to have 3rd parties soak up the excess tokens, that's not the product being sold.

Especially as they are subsidized.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by nucleative »

chii wrote: post #45
ddxv wrote: post #40

The pressure is to boost revenue by forcing more people to use the API to generate huge numbers of tokens they can charge more for. LLMs are becoming common commodities as open weight models keep catching up. There are similarities with pirating in the 90s when users realize they can ctrl+c ctrl+v to copy a file/model and you don't need to buy a cd/use their paid API.

And that is how it should be - the knowledge that the LLM trained on should be free, and cannot (and should never be) gatekept behind money. It's merely the hardware that should be charged for - which ought to drop in price if/when the demand for it rises. However, this is a bottleneck at the moment, and hard to see how it gets resolved amidst the current US environment on sanctioning anyone who would try.

Is there no value in how the training was done such that it's accessible via inference in a particularly useful way?

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by scwoodal »

bluegatty wrote: post #89
scwoodal wrote: post #79

Why does it matter to Anthropic if my $200 plan usage is coming from Claude Code or a third party? Doesn’t both count towards my usage limits the same?

If you buy a 'Season's Pass' for Disneyland, you cant 'sublet' it to another kid to use on the days you don't; It's not really buying a 'daily access rate'. Anthropic subs are not 'bulk tokens'. It's not an unreasonable policy and it's entirely inevitable that they have to restrict.

I’m not subletting my sub to anyone. I’m the only one using the third party harness.

I’m using their own SDK in my own CLI tool.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by wyre »

mccoyb wrote: post #73

OpenAI has endorsed OAuth from 3rd party harnesses, and their limits are way higher. Use better tools (OpenCode, pi) with an arguably better model (xhigh reasoning) for longer …

I am looking forward to switching to OpenAI once my claude max account is banned for using pi....

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by JimmaDaRustla »

archeantus wrote: post #67

Not according to this guy who works on Claude Code: https://x.com/trq212/status/2024212378402095389?s=20 What a PR nightmare, on top of an already bad week. I’ve seen 20+ people on X complaining about this and the related confusion.

Incorrect, the third-party usage was already blocked (banned) but it wasn't officially communicated or documented. This post is simply identifying that official communication rather than the inference of actual functionality.
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