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Portugal: The First Global Empire (2015)

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Re: Portugal: The First Global Empire (2015)

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Post by someone7x »

fauria wrote: post #24

Spain was the first globalization, not Portugal. The article forgets to mention two key elements: 1) The Manila galeon[1], the first trading route connecting Europe, America and Asia. This was the first trully global trade route (Portugual never established a trans-Pacific route). 2) The Real de a Ocho[2], the first global currency, used virtually everywhere including the US until the modern dollar replaced it in 185…

As a history enjoyer I have actually heard of this:

> The Black Legend (Spanish: leyenda negra) or the Spanish Black Legend (Spanish: leyenda negra española) is a purported historiographical tendency which consists of anti-Spanish and anti-Catholic propaganda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend

Re: Portugal: The First Global Empire (2015)

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Post by JackFr »

fauria wrote: post #24

Spain was the first globalization, not Portugal. The article forgets to mention two key elements: 1) The Manila galeon[1], the first trading route connecting Europe, America and Asia. This was the first trully global trade route (Portugual never established a trans-Pacific route). 2) The Real de a Ocho[2], the first global currency, used virtually everywhere including the US until the modern dollar replaced it in 185…

Don’t forget the Dutch who were the first to have colonies in North and South America, Africa and Asia.

Re: Portugal: The First Global Empire (2015)

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Post by Koshkin »

pdpi wrote: post #14
braza wrote: post #4

As a Brazilian, the whole improbable (and beautiful) history of Portugal raised by the "Navegações" and how badly they bottled the whole imperium (especially after the Brazilian independence, but one can argue that João VI opened the ports) and the sheer amount of lack of vision in not investing in production is something that will always amaze me. One can say that it was one of the longest imperiums in history (endi…

> but every time that I spend some time in Portuguese cities, I feel just bad What do you mean? (Asking this as a Portuguese guy who really doesn't feel at home back there any more)

The Chinese selling Portuguese souvenirs made in China?

Re: Portugal: The First Global Empire (2015)

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Post by leflambeur »

alephnerd wrote: post #40
hugodan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and just how did they got the gunpowder? ;)

The Rajahdoms and Sultanates that became Indonesia and Malaysia did so via existing domestic capacity and intercultural exchange with the Ottomans, Safavids, Mughals, and other "Gunpowder" empires [0][1]. Heck, the only reason the Dutch couldn't completely invade Aceh was because the Ottomans and Mughals threatened to sanction the Dutch [2] in the 17th century for threatening a fellow Sunni state. We are reverting to…

This is one resentful individual. Likes to imply how this or that people is inferior to the other (I thought we were discussing differences in forms of settlement, colonization and maritime expansion) then pivots to modern day economic statistics to again imply that some people are superior to others then finally succumbs to racism but is careful enough to change the language!!

Re: Portugal: The First Global Empire (2015)

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Post by vondur »

leflambeur wrote: post #9
hearsathought wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would first have to imagine portuguese being the lingua franca of the iberian peninsula. Hard to imagine. Passing that hurdle, then you'd have to imagine portuguese being the lingua franca of western europe. Hard to imagine that. Then of europe as a whole and so on. Almost a joke now. Portuguese was never the major power of it's immediate vicinity, let alone the world. Portugual, like the netherlands, was a glori…

I think the comparison with the Netherlands is generally appropriate, but we must recognize that what they did in Brazil was exceptional (meaning not comparable to their former possessions in Asia and Africa, a difference from the mere trading nodes) and the NL never did achieve anything like it. The Portuguese managed to maintain territorial integrity and make their religion and language dominate it entirely, in wha…

Didn’t the Dutch basically take over the Portuguese trading empire from them?

Re: Portugal: The First Global Empire (2015)

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Post by oska »

When xenophobia is a useful social defence :

> They were most successful in Japan, creating about 300,000 converts until their activities induced a wave of xenophobia and they were either expelled or killed.

I am immensely glad that Japan was not colonised early on like the Philippines to their south unfortunately was.

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