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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

Serious question: why can't Meta, Google, and friends just decide not to serve Arizona? I get logistically it would be tough, but if they built that capability, they would have a very robust lever to pull anytime a government pulls this schtick.

I would imagine the backlash from the people would fix this pretty quickly.

This seems like one of those "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situations. I'd fully support big tech saying, "Alright Arizona. Build your own technical infrastructure."

And letting the fools in government who don't understand how the world works figure it out the hard way.

What am I missing? (beyond perhaps being overly optimistic!)

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #42
agentifysh wrote: post #40

Curious, what is driving this "you need permission to use the internet" bills suddenly ? Really miss the old internet.

It's right wing censorship plain and simple. Unfashionable to state this.

You weren’t around when Tipper Gore was raising the alarm about Ice T’s “Cop Killer” (now “ICE Killer” since he has been playing a cop on TV for a quarter century) or NWA and “F%%% the Police”

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #71

Serious question: why can't Meta, Google, and friends just decide not to serve Arizona? I get logistically it would be tough, but if they built that capability, they would have a very robust lever to pull anytime a government pulls this schtick. I would imagine the backlash from the people would fix this pretty quickly. This seems like one of those "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situations. I'd fully support bi…

Why would big tech care? Age gating is probably good for them, and they won’t want the market share loss.

A total pull out is what big tech threatens when government is impacting on their profit margins, not working in their favour.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by [deleted] »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #71

Serious question: why can't Meta, Google, and friends just decide not to serve Arizona? I get logistically it would be tough, but if they built that capability, they would have a very robust lever to pull anytime a government pulls this schtick. I would imagine the backlash from the people would fix this pretty quickly. This seems like one of those "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situations. I'd fully support bi…

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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by giancarlostoro »

root_axis wrote: post #55
advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

I think it's a great proposal if we add a slight alteration. Rather than requiring parents to maintain block/allow lists, the OS should allow the parent to lock in a birth-date, and that birth-date is used by the system to generate a user-age header, from there, websites can be legally required to respect the header and maintain whatever restrictions correspond to the applicable laws. This gives sites the ability to…

This sounds more like the most reasonable solution.

Part of me has wondered if there could be a PAC that focuses on pushing for issues that "both sides" can agree on to politicians from both sides. The big thing is it has to be problems both sides agree are problems, and both sides agree on the solutions. The only problem I see is that there's an insane amount of contrarianism from both sides. I have seen both sides of the political aisle flip flop on issues because one side chose one solution this time around.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by devsda »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #71

Serious question: why can't Meta, Google, and friends just decide not to serve Arizona? I get logistically it would be tough, but if they built that capability, they would have a very robust lever to pull anytime a government pulls this schtick. I would imagine the backlash from the people would fix this pretty quickly. This seems like one of those "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situations. I'd fully support bi…

Not a good idea to enourage that sort of behavior though, because the same tools can embolden them and can be used to pull out of say California if it pushes for a strong pro consumer legislations.

Corporations don’t act on the moral principles regardless of what their PR/marketing department says. It is ultimately decided on how laws affect their bottomline.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by giancarlostoro »

dietr1ch wrote: post #46
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ad industry underwrites the consumer tech market. That's why you can buy a SmartTV for like 100 bucks (or whatever, I haven't bought a tv in like 10 years knock-on-wood ).

My plan to buy a TV is to get one that can be kept offline, or one that can be made able to stay offline through flashing or dismantling into its very core elements. Dismantling it would probably ensure it's ugly af, but maybe if you try to go for one of those TV-in-a-frame things it might not look hideous.

Every smart TV I own can be kept offline; I just don't put it online ever. The issue is the software bloat makes turning them on unnecessarily slower.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

#78

Post by zerotolerance »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #72
giraffe_lady wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's right wing censorship plain and simple. Unfashionable to state this.

You weren’t around when Tipper Gore was raising the alarm about Ice T’s “Cop Killer” (now “ICE Killer” since he has been playing a cop on TV for a quarter century) or NWA and “F%%% the Police”

Yes. Right wing.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by trhway »

ericmay wrote: post #66
thewebguyd wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not implemented like that because the true goal of these laws has nothing to do with protecting children or age verification, and instead have everything to do with completely eliminating anonymity/pseudo-anonymity online. They want to ID everyone, and have all user generated content attributed to a known, identified individual.

I think it's mostly easy to identify anyone if you actually want to - if you buy anything online you are 100% identifiable for example. Given the pros/cons in context, I think I'm in favor of it for social media, at least. I'd actually argue you would want to go further and you should have your full address, employer, and more available online. LinkedIn is a cesspool of awful salespeople, but you know what it's not?…

> Maybe you should think twice before saying something online you wouldn't say while standing in front of your house or at work.

then I'd never say the things i'm saying about Russia/Putin as i still have a family there or in case US kicks me out back there.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by cosiiine »

ericmay wrote: post #66
thewebguyd wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not implemented like that because the true goal of these laws has nothing to do with protecting children or age verification, and instead have everything to do with completely eliminating anonymity/pseudo-anonymity online. They want to ID everyone, and have all user generated content attributed to a known, identified individual.

I think it's mostly easy to identify anyone if you actually want to - if you buy anything online you are 100% identifiable for example. Given the pros/cons in context, I think I'm in favor of it for social media, at least. I'd actually argue you would want to go further and you should have your full address, employer, and more available online. LinkedIn is a cesspool of awful salespeople, but you know what it's not?…

"Anonymity on social media has brought a lot of problems and I'm not sure what the benefits are"

Anonymity is a shield against public lynching for communities that are targeted by hate groups such as LGBTQ+ (one example, there are plenty).

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