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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by iamnothere »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #27
advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

> Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist But then HN would still riot, because you would need to require all apps to be approved by a central authority (no unauthorized browsers) OR you need to lock down browser engines to those that respect the list somehow (maybe by killing JIT, limiting network connections). I've learned long ago, as have politicians, there is zero solution that m…

Funny that you understand what the problem would be, then you still insist that the authoritarian approach is the correct one. I’m sure people like you would gladly goose step into a 100% locked down surveillance hellscape, but the rest of us will keep working to ensure that this future never happens.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

mothballed wrote: post #13
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can children buy guns in AZ? Look, I don't have an opinion here one way or the other, this almost certainly won't pass, but please at least try to argue in good faith.

Adults can buy a gun with no ID, no problem in AZ, fully legal. If you prefer that comparison, to an adult being carded to buy an app. I do feel I was making a good faith comment here. --------- re: below due to throttling --------------- >Adults can sell each other property with no ID and without the state getting involved, who knew. Yes and it's legal. Should be for apps too. Headline says all apps. ---------------…

Is it legal to sell a gun to a child in Arizona? Or are you responsible for age verification? You continue to argue in bad faith.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by munk-a »

handedness wrote: post #28
munk-a wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that we'd all blocklist advertisers and then they'd all cry. It's like how most mobile distros don't allow you to control relative app volume - if it might hurt ad bucks it can't be allowed.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Heck no - I own a Samsung purely to continue to have access to Sound Assistant (to enable individual app volume control without rooting my device).

I just want everyone to be clear on why it isn't happening.

This is also the same reason why early versions of Android had incredibly fine-grained permission controls that was stripped out... can't have users blocking inter-app marketing key coordination after all.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by ipsi »

advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

The biggest issue is, of course, (4) - how do you plan on enforcing that for sites that don't run out of your country of residence? Implicitly restrict access to only those sites in said country?

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by jonhohle »

LoganDark wrote: post #29
handedness wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Remember: Advertisers cry with money .

They’ve proven themselves to be bad actors with no moral compass. No different than street drug dealers, casinos, traffickers, or any other predatory industry. They should’ve regulated as such.

I don’t have any problem with old-timey “Dishsoap Brand Dishsoap sponsored this content. They want you to know that a dish isn’t clean unless it’s Dishsoap clean!” Type ads. Much beyond that should no longer be tolerated.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

munk-a wrote: post #20
advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

The problem is that we'd all blocklist advertisers and then they'd all cry. It's like how most mobile distros don't allow you to control relative app volume - if it might hurt ad bucks it can't be allowed.

The ad industry underwrites the consumer tech market. That's why you can buy a SmartTV for like 100 bucks (or whatever, I haven't bought a tv in like 10 years knock-on-wood).

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by thewebguyd »

ipsi wrote: post #34
advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

The biggest issue is, of course, (4) - how do you plan on enforcing that for sites that don't run out of your country of residence? Implicitly restrict access to only those sites in said country?

You don't enforce that, the owner (or the owner's parents, etc) of the device set that policy. MDMs can all already do this, there just needs to be a more user-friendly/consumer focused MDM to allow parents to control their kids devices. Just have it warn "Out of country sites may not follow your device policy, do you want to block them (Y/n)?"

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by thewebguyd »

advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

It's not implemented like that because the true goal of these laws has nothing to do with protecting children or age verification, and instead have everything to do with completely eliminating anonymity/pseudo-anonymity online.

They want to ID everyone, and have all user generated content attributed to a known, identified individual.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by traverseda »

ipsi wrote: post #34
advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

The biggest issue is, of course, (4) - how do you plan on enforcing that for sites that don't run out of your country of residence? Implicitly restrict access to only those sites in said country?

Same way the US enforces any internet foreign policy. Make the credit card companies cut them off,make advertisers cut them off. US controls most of the ways they could make money.
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