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Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by WayneDB »

run4yourlives wrote: post #60
WayneDB wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't download software off the net unless it's vetted first by Apple? Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? Maybe you haven't considered the alternative. It's something that Apple users don't really get much of, but there's a thing called choice . Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading? That'd be a nice choice. That way, the people who want to trade freedom for security can do so a…

> Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? You are either completely ignorant of smartphone technology or deliberately missing the point. I just searched for weather on my iPhone. There are 4055 weather related apps to chose from. It isn't a problem. What's more, is that I know that all 4055 of those apps will in no way prevent me from using my phone 10 minutes after I install them. > Why can't we have a…

You obviously don't understand smartphone tech because it's just a computer.

> Why can't we tackle people during a soccer game? Same shit.

Not really. There are no rules against complaining about Apple's rules. Customer complaints change rules. Apathetic people such as yourself, who just roll over and take it, are part of the problem.

> My phone is a fucking phone! It's not a damn religious crusade.

Then why did you respond to my original comment, as if I had offended you in some way?

I said "I don't want to have to go through anybody to be able to get my app to my customers. This tendency towards closed-off app stores is really depressing."

How exactly did my comment affect you? It sounds to me like you're on a crusade to get me to think just like you. I simply stated an opinion in response to someone else who shared my opinion. You, on the other hand, started off sounding like you were on a crusade.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by bitwize »

WayneDB wrote: post #59
run4yourlives wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a phone user though, I WANT you to be vetted, because I don't want your "stock quote app" to suddenly brick my phone unless I send you $59.99 to get the "fix". I don't trust you. I trust apple. Deal with it.

You don't download software off the net unless it's vetted first by Apple? Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? Maybe you haven't considered the alternative. It's something that Apple users don't really get much of, but there's a thing called choice . Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading? That'd be a nice choice. That way, the people who want to trade freedom for security can do so a…

Just about the only proven method to really mitigate the malware problem is with whitelisting. In the future, virtually all end-user computing platforms will be mandatorily whitelisted. The company I just left was in the process of requiring whitelisting (through Bit9) for ALL Windows AND Linux desktops. Which is a pain in the ass if you're a dev, but when it comes down to that or watching all your IP go across the sea, guess which option upper management is going to choose?

Apple has brought the benefits of whitelisting to the masses with its App Store certification process. The result is an extremely popular, superior smartphone platform with virtually no malware. Android? Malware city. Platform vendors in the future are going to handle app distribution the Apple way or they'll be out of the game entirely.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by run4yourlives »

WayneDB wrote: post #61
run4yourlives wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? You are either completely ignorant of smartphone technology or deliberately missing the point. I just searched for weather on my iPhone. There are 4055 weather related apps to chose from. It isn't a problem. What's more, is that I know that all 4055 of those apps will in no way prevent me from using my phone 10 minutes after I install them. > Why can't we have a…

You obviously don't understand smartphone tech because it's just a computer. > Why can't we tackle people during a soccer game? Same shit. Not really. There are no rules against complaining about Apple's rules. Customer complaints change rules . Apathetic people such as yourself, who just roll over and take it, are part of the problem. > My phone is a fucking phone! It's not a damn religious crusade. Then why did you…

Customer complaints change rules.

You are a developer, not a customer.

Apathetic people such as yourself, who just roll over and take it, are part of the problem.

There is no problem from a consumer point of view. You seem to be failing to understand this. I have little to no need for your no-name unregistered app. Why should the entire ecosystem change to benefit you?

Then why did you respond to my original comment

I didn't respond in this way to your original comment, I responded in this way to you suggesting that I "keep trading your freedoms in." Please, spare me.

It sounds to me like you're on a crusade to get me to think just like you.

I don't care what you do, to be honest, and I don't think you understand one thing I'm trying to say to you. You're the one who wants to play in Apple/Google's sandbox and is bitching about the rules of the sandbox. By all means, create a new sandbox.

Again, all I said was that if you want to play soccer, play by the already established rules. Don't sign your team up for the tourney and then proceed to tell us all how much better the game would be if we could use our hands. STFU and get on the pitch, or go find an empty field to play whatever game you want to invent.

The apple/google closed markets are designed 100% to be the benefit of the consumer, because the consumers are paying $500+ for the phone. Consumers want things to be easy and work well. Consumers are not really interested in you having 6 different methods of delivering your app to our phone so that your life is easier. That's your issue, not the consumer's.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by chris_wot »

run4yourlives wrote: post #64
WayneDB wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You obviously don't understand smartphone tech because it's just a computer. > Why can't we tackle people during a soccer game? Same shit. Not really. There are no rules against complaining about Apple's rules. Customer complaints change rules . Apathetic people such as yourself, who just roll over and take it, are part of the problem. > My phone is a fucking phone! It's not a damn religious crusade. Then why did you…

Customer complaints change rules. You are a developer, not a customer. Apathetic people such as yourself, who just roll over and take it, are part of the problem. There is no problem from a consumer point of view. You seem to be failing to understand this. I have little to no need for your no-name unregistered app. Why should the entire ecosystem change to benefit you? Then why did you respond to my original comment…

You lost me when you compared him to the Taliban.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by nigelsampson »

jpatte wrote: post #57
CodeCube wrote: post #42

I didn't have quite as bad an experience submitting my app ( http://codecube.net/2012/09/introducing-viewer-for-khan-acad... ) to the w8 store. But it did fail the first time and I was quite annoyed at the reason. It failed for requirement 4.1.1: "If your app has the technical ability to transmit any user's personal information, you must maintain a privacy policy. You must provide access to your privacy policy in the…

Exact same problem here too. We submitted a game which transmits no information whatsoever, so we didn't feel the need to provide a pivacy policy. Yet they made us submit again to fix just that. I think it's safe to assume that every app should provide a privacy policy by default, just in case.

I'm fairly sure any app that declares the Internet capability will be flagged as requiring a privacy policy.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by NeutronBoy »

madoublet wrote: post #50
CodeCube wrote: post #42

I didn't have quite as bad an experience submitting my app ( http://codecube.net/2012/09/introducing-viewer-for-khan-acad... ) to the w8 store. But it did fail the first time and I was quite annoyed at the reason. It failed for requirement 4.1.1: "If your app has the technical ability to transmit any user's personal information, you must maintain a privacy policy. You must provide access to your privacy policy in the…

Exact same problem I had. I am waiting for approval right now. If they are going to require a privacy policy, why not include it by default when you start a project? And, why do you have to go through another 7 day waiting period when you submit the app again. Shouldn't re-submissions be fast tracked?

> If they are going to require a privacy policy, why not include it by default when you start a project?

They might include a blank one, but I imagine they tried to aviod including a boiler-plate policy, otherwise you'd probably find 95% of app submissions would just use the template.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by masklinn »

Aaronontheweb wrote: post #62

If the OP reads HN, send me an email to aaron AT markedup DOT com I used to work on the evangelism team in the US for Microsoft (left in August to start my own company;) I can connect you with folks who can help you with the certification process.

The article notes that he already got plenty of connections throughout the process.
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