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Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by masklinn »

n9com wrote: post #12

Most of the rejections were due to problems with your app. We have found the Microsoft team and review process to be excellent - far better than anything we have experienced before. They go beyond the call of duty to help developers get their app onto the store and even give some great feedback on how the app could be even better. I guess it depends on who you deal with, but our personal experience in releasing our e…

> Most of the rejections were due to problems with your app.

Congratulation on completely and utterly missing TFA's point.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by masklinn »

paulbz wrote: post #29

I've submitted multiple apps to the Windows Store. They're not desperate and they don't want crap, which is why they have a high bar. The problem is the testing procedures aren't always consistent, so something may pass once and get rejected when you do your next update for a bug that existed in a previous version. But, that's the nature of testing - the same thing has happened for us on Apple's app store. Android ap…

> The problem is the testing procedures aren't always consistent, so something may pass once and get rejected when you do your next update for a bug that existed in a previous version.

That's not even relevant to TFA's point, which is that the review output is so terse and opaque it's not actionable and essentially resulted in him having to bug dozens of people and fine-comb multiple time through the application to find out what the issues were.

There wasn't any complex issue, all of them were nigh-trivial (except the D3D one maybe) and TFAA gladly acknowledge this, the issue he outlines is that if the reports had actual information in them it'd have taken him a day to get everything fixed rather than 2 months.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by run4yourlives »

WayneDB wrote: post #45
mcherm wrote: post #26

Look, if Apple can't manage to do a curated app store in a way that "works" for developers, if Microsoft can't manage to do it... maybe a curated app store isn't a good idea. I mean, it's obviously a good idea for whoever curates the app store (they can leverage their power in all kinds of ways), but perhaps the problems for developers is not because these companies are doing it poorly, but just that injecting a revi…

I don't want to have to go through anybody to be able to get my app to my customers. This tendency towards closed-off app stores is really depressing.

As a phone user though, I WANT you to be vetted, because I don't want your "stock quote app" to suddenly brick my phone unless I send you $59.99 to get the "fix".

I don't trust you. I trust apple. Deal with it.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by riviera »

Tell me about this. I got 3 rejections, the last 2 about point 3.2 ("the app crashes"), after neither anyone in my team nor at our MS contact team was able to experience any problems. And the only feedback was a PDF showing a snapshot of the Windows desktop and some text that the JPEG compression had rendered unreadable. I thought it was a joke. Luckily a support person was nice enough to spend time reviewing the app and helped me discover the problem. Which was due to unclear and misleading expectations about the review process. Oh well...

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by jarjoura »

ja27 wrote: post #10

I haven't submitted a Windows 8 app yet (soon) but I've had apps rejected by Apple and Nook. I have to say that Apple's rejections so far have been very clear on what needs to change. Nook has been 50-50. One rejection was clear, but another just gave me a useless numeric code. To defend Microsoft a little bit, at least you have developer evangelists available to help escalate things, even if that isn't working in th…

Apple also has evangelists who will help escalate/interpret things.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by jpatte »

CodeCube wrote: post #42

I didn't have quite as bad an experience submitting my app ( http://codecube.net/2012/09/introducing-viewer-for-khan-acad... ) to the w8 store. But it did fail the first time and I was quite annoyed at the reason. It failed for requirement 4.1.1: "If your app has the technical ability to transmit any user's personal information, you must maintain a privacy policy. You must provide access to your privacy policy in the…

Exact same problem here too. We submitted a game which transmits no information whatsoever, so we didn't feel the need to provide a pivacy policy. Yet they made us submit again to fix just that. I think it's safe to assume that every app should provide a privacy policy by default, just in case.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by nivla »

CodeCube wrote: post #42

I didn't have quite as bad an experience submitting my app ( http://codecube.net/2012/09/introducing-viewer-for-khan-acad... ) to the w8 store. But it did fail the first time and I was quite annoyed at the reason. It failed for requirement 4.1.1: "If your app has the technical ability to transmit any user's personal information, you must maintain a privacy policy. You must provide access to your privacy policy in the…

As much as I agree it maybe annoying for any app that doesn't intent on capturing/transmitting personal information to have a privacy policy, I think it is a great requirement. The problem with not having one is that it could be misused in the future updates. Make it a habit to include both a License and a Privacy Policy when you start writing a new app. Just like most open-source softwares include a licence, I wish all applications had a privacy policy attached to them.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by WayneDB »

run4yourlives wrote: post #53
WayneDB wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to have to go through anybody to be able to get my app to my customers. This tendency towards closed-off app stores is really depressing.

As a phone user though, I WANT you to be vetted, because I don't want your "stock quote app" to suddenly brick my phone unless I send you $59.99 to get the "fix". I don't trust you. I trust apple. Deal with it.

You don't download software off the net unless it's vetted first by Apple? Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop?

Maybe you haven't considered the alternative. It's something that Apple users don't really get much of, but there's a thing called choice.

Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading? That'd be a nice choice. That way, the people who want to trade freedom for security can do so and the people who want freedom can have it. A third option would be to allow competing app stores (as well as side-loading).

You're on the wrong side in the war on general purpose computing. If you want to see general purpose computing go away, by all means...keep trading your freedoms in.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Post by run4yourlives »

WayneDB wrote: post #59
run4yourlives wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a phone user though, I WANT you to be vetted, because I don't want your "stock quote app" to suddenly brick my phone unless I send you $59.99 to get the "fix". I don't trust you. I trust apple. Deal with it.

You don't download software off the net unless it's vetted first by Apple? Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? Maybe you haven't considered the alternative. It's something that Apple users don't really get much of, but there's a thing called choice . Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading? That'd be a nice choice. That way, the people who want to trade freedom for security can do so a…

> Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop?

You are either completely ignorant of smartphone technology or deliberately missing the point.

I just searched for weather on my iPhone. There are 4055 weather related apps to chose from. It isn't a problem. What's more, is that I know that all 4055 of those apps will in no way prevent me from using my phone 10 minutes after I install them.

> Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading?

Why can't we tackle people during a soccer game? Same shit.

I've chosen to play by Apple's rules as many others have. I could also have chosen to play by Google's rules. When I play soccer or hockey, I choose to play by those rules as well. It makes for an overall more enjoyable experience.

Just because I play a weekly soccer game and prefer you not to intrude with your revised soccer-rugby rules does not mean I will limit myself to never playing baseball, or that I don't appreciate your variation. It means that I'm perfectly content playing soccer.

I'm perfectly content with my app-store only iPhone, thank you very much. You as a developer - if you want to play this on this field - need to abide by the rules the rest of use are already playing by. Otherwise, go find your own piece of grass and play whatever game you want there.

When Apple starts forcing everyone to play soccer, come talk to me. If you want to play in the soccer tourney though, I expect you to play the right game.

>You're on the wrong side in the war

You know who says shit like this? Zealots. Unthinking, self righteous, dangerous zealots. Like the Taliban. Or the Tea Party.

My phone is a fucking phone! It's not a damn religious crusade. There is no war to fight. There is no freedom to lose. I'm not trading liberty for security when I play soccer anymore than I'm doing so by making a fucking phone call.

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