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GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by sandreas »

nickorlow wrote: post #140
sandreas wrote: post #115

I personally tend to own two Phones. One all-day carry GrapheneOS device (Pixel 8) and an older WiFi and at home only iPhone for all payment and ensurance stuff. This is inconvenient in some ways, but at least it is sort of privacy as good as it gets while still being able to run official apps when I need them at home. To de-google the phone, I use F-Droid as primary App store, Aurora as fallback for non-f-droid Apps…

Grayjay is another good YouTube (and other streaming platform) client made by the company that owns Immich

Uh this looks nice. Thank you.

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Post by palata »

onli wrote: post #143
palata wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please link me to it - I asked this several times, people never can follow up. So far? Sorry, I won't spend 30 minutes digging to find that :-). I follow /e/OS, GrapheneOS and (followed) Calyx. I have seen messages from all of those either on forums, Mastodon, etc. Also, whenever GrapheneOS makes a technical point (which is often a blunt "GrapheneOS is superior because [...] does it wrong"), many users of those pro…

Sorry, but then I take this as the usual - GOS is attacking other projects, that I can easily see in all their socials, and the other projects have done nothing wrong. GOS always claims that the other projects attack them since years, and never shows any proof. And indeed, I still never have seen any attack against GOS. Seems like this won't change today. You or other readers can check https://github.com/mozilla/ichn…

> Sorry, but then I take this as the usual

Sure, you're free to do what you want. Just sharing my opinion given that I follow those projects from the outside.

> You or other readers can check

I guess what I am trying to say is that it takes multiple sides to argue.

For what it's worth, your link shows the founder of /e/OS engaging there. I have seen both technically wrong and misleading claims from the founder of /e/OS on Mastodon, then GrapheneOS explaining why they thought it was wrong on their forum, and then the founder of /e/OS calling them toxic and complaining about those attacks. And then /e/OS users would join the party and start attacking GrapheneOS, fully trusting those claims from the /e/OS founder. I can't really say that he didn't have any responsibility in the drama under those conditions...

Again, GrapheneOS tend to be blunt, but it doesn't make it technically wrong. And when the message is "it is unacceptable to us in terms of security", then it will be blunt anyway. I realised after years of using a phone I bought to Murena that my system (that they installed and sold to me) was entirely breaking the AOSP security model: it was signed with the Google testing keys and the bootloader was unlocked (and just couldn't be relocked, and anyway it wouldn't matter because of those keys that are not meant for production).

In other words, I bought a product to Murena that was unacceptable to me in terms of security, but genuinely thought it was better than Stock Android because of Murena / /e/OS marketing. I genuinely feel either they tricked me, or they didn't know it themselves. I have personally seen multiple /e/OS phones in a state where they were objectively less secure than Stock Android. I get that they don't like it when GrapheneOS says it, but that is not wrong.

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Post by FullMetalBitch »

b112 wrote: post #163
fodmap wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you can just open the thing in a website anyway. I can use my bank on some linux distro... Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I have several linux phones but I can only do banking with their…

Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I've seen this elsewhere, and it's absolutely ridiculous. Why? Because in almost all cases, the apps may only be installed with Google Play, and require the framework to work correctly. And that means? If you are not in good s…

Why? Technofeudalism is not going to impose itself

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by 6jQhWNYh »

sudonem wrote: post #42
6jQhWNYh wrote: post #22

It's a shame only Pixel phones are supported. I have PWM sensitivity and Pixel phones are notoriously bad for this, my eyes hurt when I look at one for more than 30mn. Due to the lack of good, secure alternative, I have had to give up on privacy in exchange for manufacturer updates.

The Pixel limitations has been my main concern as well. The good news is that they are actively working on developing their own hardware. The bad news is that it’s been delayed. But I’m watching closely. https://www.galaxus.at/en/page/grapheneos-postpones-pixel-al...

Interesting article. Let's now hope for a reasonable price, even though it will be challenging for their team. It would be a shame if the target audience is limited to overpaid nerds like most of HN.

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Post by subscribed »

palata wrote: post #55
Myzel394 wrote: post #10

I've been using GrapheneOS for about 3 years now. For the most part, it works very well. I don't have any issues with banking apps, nor any other closed source apps. I'm using two profiles both with sandboxed Google play installed. I'm logged in into my private Google account on the work profile. However, there was one case that lead me to thinking about ditching grapheneos to this day. I installed Uber on my phone a…

No problem here with Uber on GrapheneOS.

Same. Using it (rarely) off the secondary profile and everything works.

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Post by malfist »

vages wrote: post #119
bergheim wrote: post #105

Been using this for about a year on a p9 pro. It works very well. I hear the google tap to pay does not work, but I've never tried it. However Vipps with their tap to pay works fine. BankID works but not with biometric login, which some things require IIRC. And for some reason DnB private works fine, but you are not allowed in on the corp app. It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you ca…

Thanks for the Norwegian perspective. I agree that the locking down is truly stupid. For what it’s worth, the reasoning for locking down mobile apps is allegedly that mobile users are a less technologically competent demographic than desktop users. I do not think so myself, given the difficulty in trying Graphene vs. Desktop Linux.

Those people who root their phone and install alternate OSes sure are less technologically competent than someone with a browser and a laptop

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

haskman wrote: post #185

And once you are on GrapheneOS, break free from your proprietary watch ecosystem and switch to GadgetBridge ( https://gadgetbridge.org/ ) I run a Thinkpad with NixOS and KDE, a Pixel 9 with GrapheneOS, and an Amazfit watch paired with GadgetBridge on my phone. It's a testament to the hard work of the FOSS maintainers of these projects, and the spirit of open source, that everything works flawlessly together without a…

I didn't need anything more on my to-do list, but this is intriguing.

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Post by rationalist »

ozlikethewizard wrote: post #107
Myzel394 wrote: post #10

I've been using GrapheneOS for about 3 years now. For the most part, it works very well. I don't have any issues with banking apps, nor any other closed source apps. I'm using two profiles both with sandboxed Google play installed. I'm logged in into my private Google account on the work profile. However, there was one case that lead me to thinking about ditching grapheneos to this day. I installed Uber on my phone a…

Maybe not being able to use Uber isn't the downside you think it is though. UK centric view but call a cab and pay in cash, you haven't comprimised your security and you're not engaging with an unethical business.

Well, you still might engage with an unethical business, but at least the chance goes from 100% to somewhere between 0% and 100%.

I've run into my share of scammy taxi drivers.

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Post by rationalist »

backscratches wrote: post #126
Myzel394 wrote: post #10

I've been using GrapheneOS for about 3 years now. For the most part, it works very well. I don't have any issues with banking apps, nor any other closed source apps. I'm using two profiles both with sandboxed Google play installed. I'm logged in into my private Google account on the work profile. However, there was one case that lead me to thinking about ditching grapheneos to this day. I installed Uber on my phone a…

Uber works in browser on mobile (and desktop). Last I checked lift did not.

Lyft app works on GrapheneOS.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by birdsongs »

omgmajk wrote: post #161
birdsongs wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was the one that submitted the DNB Bedrift app report to the sec dev repo! I contacted DNB but they never responded to my email. I wonder if we can find a dev? I believe that's how the private app got fixed. Want to use Vipps tæpp so much but I have Nordea for private and they don't allow it on their cards, for whatever godforsaken reason.

Does the Nordea app work on Graphene? I am curious because I have been itching to switch my main phone to an alternate OS.

Yep! Perfectly, I use it daily. (The private customer one, not sure about business.)
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