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GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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stephenr wrote: post #88
palata wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish banks would do something and support NFC payment systems that don't require the device to be controlled by Google There are countries where it's possible to pay everywhere with the banking app scanning a QR code. No need for NFC :-).

I use qr based payments regularly where I live, and in my home country I use nfc payments (watch/phone/card) essentially always, when we visit. NFC is by far more convenient and reliable.

I can't say about "convenient" because I don't use it, but I have been using QR codes for years and I haven't had a single issue. I don't know anyone who has.

QR codes are reliable.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by palata »

joebe89 wrote: post #79
ordainedclicks wrote: post #3

One of the only big downsides I've noticed with GrapheneOS is that several banking apps don't work with it at all thanks to being tied to Google's verification ecosystem. Luckily I have hardware 2FA keys from my bank so I can authenticate using that. It also slightly decreases the suck-factor from whenever the phone decides to fly off down a drain. This may not be the case for you, so do your research on what you nee…

What about the small matter of having to purchase a Google phone in the first place?

I see it as a necessity, because the Google phone is the only one worth it if you care about security.

The problem is not GrapheneOS, but rather that phone manufacturers other than Google don't care. Now if there were millions of GrapheneOS users, it would start becoming interesting for other phone manufacturers to care.

My point being that I buy Pixel in order to give more weight to GrapheneOS, in the hope that other manufacturers will eventually realise that.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by baq »

bergheim wrote: post #105

Been using this for about a year on a p9 pro. It works very well. I hear the google tap to pay does not work, but I've never tried it. However Vipps with their tap to pay works fine. BankID works but not with biometric login, which some things require IIRC. And for some reason DnB private works fine, but you are not allowed in on the corp app. It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you ca…

> I can use my bank on some linux distro, crazy that they trust me

enjoy it while it lasts. hardware attestation requirement for (at least) banking apps is a question of 'when', not 'if'.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by backscratches »

6jQhWNYh wrote: post #22

It's a shame only Pixel phones are supported. I have PWM sensitivity and Pixel phones are notoriously bad for this, my eyes hurt when I look at one for more than 30mn. Due to the lack of good, secure alternative, I have had to give up on privacy in exchange for manufacturer updates.

Seconded. Really hope the new Graphene device does not have terrible PWM. Battery benefit to OLED is great but not if I can't look at my phone.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by palata »

onli wrote: post #89
palata wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd never use GrapheneOS since I don't trust the project Fair enough, you choose what you trust. But personally, I have never seen a technical claim from GrapheneOS that was wrong or misleading. But I have seen many claims from /e/OS that were technically wrong or misleading. So I trust GrapheneOS more. Then there is the drama, and all sides annoy me when they behave like this. But I have seen drama coming from all…

I have never seen drama from /e/ or any other project GrapheneOS attacks, like Calyx. Please link me to it - I asked this several times, people never can follow up. So far?

> Please link me to it - I asked this several times, people never can follow up. So far?

Sorry, I won't spend 30 minutes digging to find that :-). I follow /e/OS, GrapheneOS and (followed) Calyx. I have seen messages from all of those either on forums, Mastodon, etc.

Also, whenever GrapheneOS makes a technical point (which is often a blunt "GrapheneOS is superior because [...] does it wrong"), many users of those projects answer aggressively (and of course many GrapheneOS participate as well).

And on top of that, a lot of messages criticising some GOS people or the entire project and calling them "toxic" whenever GrapheneOS is mentioned.

I have no skin in this game, so it doesn't touch me. But I could understand that the GOS people feel "harassed" by this. If everywhere I went people said "have you seen this guy? I hear he's toxic", I would consider it harassment, I think?

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by _heimdall »

HunOL wrote: post #133

It's not breaking free from Google, but pretending it does not affect you. You are still at mercy of app developers and Google which may introduce some changes that will affect you. Additionally you never know what will work or stop working.

That's pretty unavoidable at that level unless you are able and willing to build your own phone hardware, OS, and all the apps you need.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

baq wrote: post #135
bergheim wrote: post #105

Been using this for about a year on a p9 pro. It works very well. I hear the google tap to pay does not work, but I've never tried it. However Vipps with their tap to pay works fine. BankID works but not with biometric login, which some things require IIRC. And for some reason DnB private works fine, but you are not allowed in on the corp app. It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you ca…

> I can use my bank on some linux distro, crazy that they trust me enjoy it while it lasts. hardware attestation requirement for (at least) banking apps is a question of 'when', not 'if'.

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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by nickorlow »

sandreas wrote: post #115

I personally tend to own two Phones. One all-day carry GrapheneOS device (Pixel 8) and an older WiFi and at home only iPhone for all payment and ensurance stuff. This is inconvenient in some ways, but at least it is sort of privacy as good as it gets while still being able to run official apps when I need them at home. To de-google the phone, I use F-Droid as primary App store, Aurora as fallback for non-f-droid Apps…

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