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Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by expedition32 »

vintermann wrote: post #27
estearum wrote: post #14

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No, some people are actually nutjobs with nutjob beliefs.

Sure they are, but Thiel is not one of them. Or rather, there's little reason to think the nutjob beliefs he presents to you are his sincerely held nutjob beliefs. You run into people sometimes, where you realize they're testing the waters constantly to figure out where they have you and what they can get away with.

You can be a nut job with but job beliefs and be smart about it. Obviously our dear friend from Austria wasn't going to directly talk about crematoria.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

rsynnott wrote: post #56
deepsun wrote: post #36

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Well, I can accept that Musk didn't know about criminal stuff and just thought it's like a Burning Man and had a big FOMO. Even though I cannot stand buffone Musk, it looks like it to me. Thiel and especially Trump though are very different story. Trump happily dived in all the crime he could get.

> Well, I can accept that Musk didn't know about criminal stuff and just thought it's like a Burning Man and had a big FOMO. ... Wait, okay, I realise Musk isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but just how stupid do you think he is? Anyone corresponding with Epstein after his first conviction knew very well the sort of person they were dealing with; they just didn't care.

Example of the kind of stuff easily findable in 2006 if you ask an underling who knows how to Google to check out the guy throwing sex parties you want to attend:

https://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/sex/billionaire-palm...

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by jacquesm »

sph wrote: post #33
netsharc wrote: post #13

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On the topic of projection, I wonder where the "Pizzagate!" frothing-at-the-mouth QAnon geniuses are, now that the actual sex-child-trafficking conspiracy has been revealed, just that it involves their champion fascists. Hah at one point they were saying an online furniture shop is a website for trafficking children hiding in plain sight, using coded messages to describe said children (something like "leather sofa" m…

A child-trafficking conspiracy was a total fabrication, meanwhile a major child-trafficking conspiracy was happening under everybody’s noses. What a coincidence, huh? Seems to me, like all legends, it started on a kernel of truth, then it evolved into something of its own. Not sure why you believe Pizzagate to be totally unrelated to Epstein.

They just ended up in the wrong kitchen, instead of that particular pizza parlor they were supposed to go to Florida instead...

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by dragon-hn »

ratrace wrote: post #23
pixelatedindex wrote: post #22

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> I love when leftists are so willing to have such a weak grasp on reality that they're able to convince themselves that the sitting president of the united states ate babies. Quite a statement to protect the president that claimed immigrants ate cats and dogs, and the base had no problems with it. There are problems with the left, but this is a hypocritical take. > Something about how the best argument against democ…

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> Ah yes, because claiming that people are eating cats and dogs, something that actually happens in some parts of the world, is the same thing as claiming that the president ate babies.

We are actually saying that the president raped teen girls. Which is something that happens around the world - even happens within the orbit of Trump given the conviction of Epstein.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by jacquesm »

rcxdude wrote: post #58
sph wrote: post #33

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A child-trafficking conspiracy was a total fabrication, meanwhile a major child-trafficking conspiracy was happening under everybody’s noses. What a coincidence, huh? Seems to me, like all legends, it started on a kernel of truth, then it evolved into something of its own. Not sure why you believe Pizzagate to be totally unrelated to Epstein.

The issue with pizzagate (and a lot of these conspiracy theories) is not that it was directionally incorrect about 'some heinous shit is going down' (which is a good cold reading any day of the week in any age), it's that it jumped to specific and often just unhinged conclusions from basically zero evidence. The latter part tending to both create more problems and give cover to the existing ones.

No, the only issue is that it was a purposeful distraction from the real heinous shit. The rest is a distraction from the fact that it was a distraction.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by ben_w »

rsynnott wrote: post #56
deepsun wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I can accept that Musk didn't know about criminal stuff and just thought it's like a Burning Man and had a big FOMO. Even though I cannot stand buffone Musk, it looks like it to me. Thiel and especially Trump though are very different story. Trump happily dived in all the crime he could get.

> Well, I can accept that Musk didn't know about criminal stuff and just thought it's like a Burning Man and had a big FOMO. ... Wait, okay, I realise Musk isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but just how stupid do you think he is? Anyone corresponding with Epstein after his first conviction knew very well the sort of person they were dealing with; they just didn't care.

Well… judging by his behaviour on all the times he's been told "no" by domain experts, and that random reward schedules are highly addictive (which in this context means "on some occasions he's even correct when he tells experts he knows better"), I think it's very plausible that someone told him what Epstein was and he ignored and/or fired them for doing so because he didn't want it to be the case.

But that's the positive spin, where Musk actually didn't know and was simply an idiot, and at this point I'm tired of giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by jacquesm »

vintermann wrote: post #27
estearum wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, some people are actually nutjobs with nutjob beliefs.

Sure they are, but Thiel is not one of them. Or rather, there's little reason to think the nutjob beliefs he presents to you are his sincerely held nutjob beliefs. You run into people sometimes, where you realize they're testing the waters constantly to figure out where they have you and what they can get away with.

Strong disagree, he's one of them, and he means it. The myth that these guys are 'really smart' should die, they're good at grifting, but they're not so smart they can't have nutjob beliefs and when they say what they think and it is negative believing them will not lead to a less true picture of the individual.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by jacquesm »

ben_w wrote: post #57
subscribed wrote: post #54

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Yeah, I'll tell my family we need to move to the mouldy 1 bedroom flat because a guy in the internet says so. That'll help with the mortgage bit; Also kids need to manage their expectations and instead of having active hobbies (that require some minimum hardware but lots of activities), they should try sculpting with clay instead. Especially that with the asthma they'll get from the black mould they'll be in no posit…

You're inventing a fictional narrative unrelated to anything I just said. Especially as this was in the context of how Greta Thunberg, who, to the best of my knowledge, has no kids of her own and thus doesn't need to also cover the cost of their hobbies or how to get them to school, and furthermore in the context of "how does she manage to be a full-time activist with no obvious means of support?" where such things a…

> my own cheapest flight was under a tenner, an effect somewhat spoiled by the cost of the British Rail ticket from the airport to my actual destination

The cost of any trip to the UK is a constant...

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