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Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by nilslindemann »

nilslindemann wrote: post #105
galkk wrote: post #97

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Either the engine was misconfigured, the hardware you were playing on was glitching or you are omitting something. There is no chance in the world that you can beat stockfish in standard time control.

Just because you can not do it it does not mean that others can not do it. If you search for Lichess games where strong players play against (edit: strongest!) Stockfish (which, admittedly is not the full throttle Stockfish) you will find that Stockfish by far does not win all the time. Such is a claim which only inexperienced chess beginners and Stockfish fanboys make. Stronger players know that Stockfish is relativ…

@josephg (for reasons I do not know there is no reply link below your post)

Sure, some people are cheaters. Some are not. There is no personal win in cheating against Stockfish. Usually strong players do it for training purposes, or to entertain their watchers when they stream. I actually remember having seen one who did that, and he drew. That was a party.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by pm2222 »

porphyra wrote: post #41
freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

Anand reached world #1 ranking at 38, managed to win a world championship and defend the title for a decade in his late 40s, and remains in #13 in his 50s right now.

If you don’t play your rating stays the same. Pretty common for inactive 2600+ players.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by nurettin »

peter422 wrote: post #66
dehrmann wrote: post #57

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Isn't he playing Chess960 because he started finding standard chess boring? And wasn't that why Fischer worked on it in the first place? Experts might get bored of it by the time they're 50.

The reason the top pros like chess960 is because they don’t need to spend hundreds of hours of opening preparation, they can just sit down and play. Caruana (the guy who lost to Magnus), mused in a podcast that chess960 feels strange as a competitor because he doesn’t really prepare (because there are far too many openings to study) and said it feels like he’s getting paid for much less work.

There are 960 possible starting positions and the chosen one is known at the start of the tournament where players are given 15m to prepare. I have observed that GMs aren't surprised when they see the board. They usually go "ah it's this one with the opposite bishops" or something similar.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by aaa_aaa »

mgfist wrote: post #85
somenameforme wrote: post #77

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On average players start declining in their mid to late thirties, just about the age of Magnus (and Hikaru). But even with that decline, it's not like they simply can't play anymore. Drag Kasparov out of retirement and he's still going to be an extremely strong player, even in his 60s. And a lot probably comes with environmental rather than physical issues. Staying at the highest level in chess requires never-ending…

Vishy's still a top player at 56

He does not play classical because it would immediately reduce his rating. Gelfand plunged. He would too.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by tux1968 »

angry_albatross wrote: post #106
bad_haircut72 wrote: post #81

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Yeah if FIDE crowns some other champ without Magnus people wont think oh wow Magnus lost the spot, people will think oh wow FIDE lost the spot of being the kingmaker. chess.com is probably the more credible org for global rankings anyway

You know that he already has stopped participating in the world championship organized by FIDE, right? The current 'world champion' is Gukesh Dommaraju, who took it from Ding Liren the year before, but of course Magnus would probably still be the world champion if he kept competing for it.

I think the point the poster was making, is that there is an asterisk beside Gukesh and Liren's world champ status. Nobody really thinks they're the actual world-champ, regardless of what FIDE says. FIDE failed to attract the best player, to even play.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by josephg »

nilslindemann wrote: post #111
nilslindemann wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you can not do it it does not mean that others can not do it. If you search for Lichess games where strong players play against (edit: strongest!) Stockfish (which, admittedly is not the full throttle Stockfish) you will find that Stockfish by far does not win all the time. Such is a claim which only inexperienced chess beginners and Stockfish fanboys make. Stronger players know that Stockfish is relativ…

@josephg (for reasons I do not know there is no reply link below your post) Sure, some people are cheaters. Some are not. There is no personal win in cheating against Stockfish. Usually strong players do it for training purposes, or to entertain their watchers when they stream. I actually remember having seen one who did that, and he drew. That was a party.

Yes. I hear this claim from above: "Some humans can beat stockfish."

Evidence given: "There exist some small number of games on lichess.org played against stockfish where the user won."

My counter argument is that games on lichess against stockfish don't imply a human beat stockfish. It could just be that stockfish (or other bots) can sometimes beat stockfish. And some humans surely use bots to play on their behalf in order to cheat in online games.

I don't know if any humans can beat stockfish. But I don't consider that to be strong evidence.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by quantummagic »

fernandopj wrote: post #90
epolanski wrote: post #23

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I don't think it's merely mental albeit it seems like even nervous Carlsen is cooler than his very focused opponents (see game 3 vs Fabiano where caruana had a completely winning position after carlsens blunder). Carlsen has spent the core of his career mastering two aspects historically underlooked aspects of the game. The first is the endgame, and there isn't much to say there. He's by far the best end game player…

IMHO a huge aspect of Carlsen mental strength isn't just the focused, at-the-game part, but we just see him enjoying Chess in many angles: not only he plays all styles, he streams relaxed, he plays Lichess and Chess.com; Chess is not only his job and passion, but it seems that he's also able to relax while engaging with it. The only top-athlete that I see do the same is Max Verstappen, who is know to play competitive…

Magnus has streamed playing chess while drunk, in a party/loud atmosphere, and had some very fun and exciting games. He's a blast.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by aaa_aaa »

somenameforme wrote: post #95
lethologica wrote: post #39

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Context helps. A lot of really strong players are 12 years old.

The best young player today, by a wide margin, is Erdogmus. [1] He's not only the youngest grandmaster in the world, but showing an arguably unprecedented level of talent. He's 14 and his rating is 2669. Magnus is 2840. Chess ratings are difficult to explain, even to chess players - who might not appreciate how much harder improvement becomes at higher levels. Suffice to say that 50 points is considered a major edge,…

He was not the youngest GM. But youngest to achieve 2600 rating. Point increse would not be so hard for him as he already can beat top 20 players.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by haunter »

zakki wrote: post #86
haunter wrote: post #10

Here are the replays https://lichess.org/broadcast/fide-freestyle-chess-world-cha...

When I clicked one of the game, the initial position is wrong. I clicked another game and it was wrong as well. Am i wrong?

>Chess960, also known as Fischer Random Chess, is a chess variant that randomizes the starting position of the pieces on the back rank to eliminate memorized opening theory and emphasize creativity from move one.
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