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Post by rgbrenner »

maxaw wrote: post #229

While following OpenClaw, I noticed an unexpected resentment in myself. After some introspection, I realized it’s tied to seeing a project achieve huge success while ignoring security norms many of us struggled to learn the hard way. On one level, it’s selfish discomfort at the feeling of being left behind (“I still can’t bring myself to vibe code. I have to at least skim every diff. Meanwhile this guy is joining Ope…

But the security risk wasnt taken by OpenClaw. Releasing vulnerable software that users run on their own machines isn't going to compromise OpenClaw itself. It can still deliver value for it's users while also requiring those same users to handle the insecurity of the software themselves (by either ignoring it or setting up sandboxes, etc to reduce the risk, and then maybe that reduced risk is weighed against the novelty and value of the software that then makes it worth it to the user to setup).

On the other hand, if OpenClaw were structured as a SaaS, this entire project would have burned to the ground the first day it was launched.

So by releasing it as something you needed to run on your own hardware, the security requirement was reduced from essential, to a feature that some users would be happy to live without. If you were developing a competitor, security could be one feature you compete on--and it would increase the number of people willing to run your software and reduce the friction of setting up sandboxes/VMs to run it.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by sbochins »

maxaw wrote: post #229

While following OpenClaw, I noticed an unexpected resentment in myself. After some introspection, I realized it’s tied to seeing a project achieve huge success while ignoring security norms many of us struggled to learn the hard way. On one level, it’s selfish discomfort at the feeling of being left behind (“I still can’t bring myself to vibe code. I have to at least skim every diff. Meanwhile this guy is joining Ope…

At the end of the day, he built something people want. That’s what really matters. OpenAI and Anthropic could not build it because of the security issues you point out. But people are using it and there is a need for it. Good on him for recognizing this and giving people what they want. We’re all adults and the users will be responsible for whatever issues they run into because of the lack of security around this project.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by oblio »

readitalready wrote: post #209
dlivingston wrote: post #154

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My gut feeling is that OpenAI is desperately searching for The Killer App™ for LLMs and hired Peter to help guide them there. OpenAI has tried a lot of experiments over the years - custom GPTs, the Orion browser, Codex, the Sora "TikTok but AI" app, and all have either been uninspired or more-or-less clones of other products (like Codex as a response to Claude Code). OpenClaw feels compelling, fresh, sci-fi, and pote…

In the AI space there isn’t a single killer app. EVERYTHING is open for disruption. ChatGPT was the start but OpenAI could create tons of other apps. They don’t need to wait for others to do so. People already want them to make a Slack replacement but I’m just wondering why none of the frontier labs are making a simple app platform that could be used to make custom apps like ChatGPT itself, or the Slack clone. Instea…

> Like, why doesn’t OpenAI build tax filing into ChatGPT?

Legal liability.

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Post by merlindru »

geerlingguy wrote: post #81
hu3 wrote: post #49

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Where do you guys get the 1b exit from? I didn't see numbers yet.

It's AI. Take a sane number, add a 14,000x multiplier to that. And you'll only be one order of magnitude off in our current climate.

probably an order of magnitude too low rather than too high as well :P

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Post by elxr »

rukuu001 wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #97

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AMEX, Capital One and Apple are not even close to the top of the list of companies that I would trust with my digital data.

Never mind the list of companies - I'd be very curious to know what the 'trust signals' are that would help you trust a company?

No past history of shady planned-obsolescence sprinkled in a bunch of their products, for one.

So that rules out Apple.

A leadership team that is very open and involved with the community, and one that takes extra steps, compared to competitors, to show they take privacy seriously.

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Post by [deleted] »

canadiantim wrote: post #185
EastSmith wrote: post #6

With OpenClaw we are seeing how the app layer becomes as important as the model layer. You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw.

There’s actually many UI’s now? See moltis, rowboat, and various others that are popping up daily

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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

throw444420394 wrote: post #152
flyinglizard wrote: post #146

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I think Cursor is doing pretty well in the enterprise space. It seems much more useful than just throwing agents upon subagents on an unsuspecting task like Claude Code.

Cursor is fine, the example is about how things go out of hype in very little time. However I believe Cursor will not survive much. It is designed around a model that will not survive: that the AI "helps you writing code", and you review, and need an IDE like that. There are many developers that want an IDE and can't stand the terminal experience of Claude Code and Codex, but I don't believe most developers in the fu…

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Post by nmar3 »

fny wrote: post #227

I really hope Mario who wrote the engine that powers OpenClaw[0] gets spoils as well. OpenClaw is mostly a shell around this (ha!), and I've always been annoyed OpenClaw never credited those repos openly. The pi agent repos are a joy to read, are 1/100th the size of OpenClaw, and have 95% of the functionality. [0]: https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono

> Special thanks to Mario Zechner for his support and for pi-mono. Special thanks to Adam Doppelt for lobster.bot.

https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw?tab=readme-ov-file#comm...

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by oblio »

BloondAndDoom wrote: post #219
koakuma-chan wrote: post #156

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If your SaaS is a CRUD with a shitty UI in React then yes

To be fair if you are not going interface with your SaaS via GUI it can be one big API for all I care. I’ll just chat and automate to it anyway.

For people like you: except for the obvious greed, what's the end game?

Are you making anyone's life better? Who will even pay you once most jobs are automated?

At best, it's a defensive move: make money, get hard capital and seek rent after most of society has collapsed?

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by jnaina »

Damn. I just installed OpenClaw on my M2 Mac and hopped on a plane for our SKO in LAX. United delayed the plane departure by 2 hours (of course) and diverted the flight to Honolulu. And Claw (that's the name of my new AI agent) kept me updated on my rebooking options and new terminal/gate assignments in SFO. All through the free WhatsApp access on United. AND, it refactored all my transferred Python code, built a graph of my emails, installed MariaDB and restored a backup from another PC. And, I almost forgot, fixed my 1337x web scrapping (don't ask) cron job, by CloudFlare-proofing it. All the while sitting in a shitty airline, with shitty food and shittier seats, hurtling across the pacific ocean.

The future is both amazing and shitty.

Hope OpenClaw continues to evolve. It is indeed an amazing piece of work.

And I hope sama doesn't get his grubby greedy hands on OpenClaw.

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