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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by neilellis »

When I hear people talking about how insecure OpenClaw is, I remember how insecure the internet was in the early days. Sometimes it's about doing the right thing badly and fix the bad things after.

Big Tech can't release software this dangerous and then figure out how to make it secure. For them it would be an absolute disaster and could ruin them.

What OpenClaw did was show us the future, give us a taste of what it would be like and had the balls to do it badly.

Technology is often pushed forwards by ostensively bad ideas (like telnet) that carve a path through the jungle and let other people create roads after.

I don't get the hate towards OpenClaw, if it was a consumer product I would, but for hackers to play around to see what is possible it's an amazing (and ridiculously simple) idea. Much like http was.

If you connected to your bank account via telnet in the 1980s or plain http in the 90s or stored your secrets in 'crypt' well, you deserved what you got ;-) But that's how many great things get started, badly, we see the flaws fix them and we get the safe version.

And that I guess is what he'll get to do now.

* OpenClaw is a straw man for AGI *

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by sva_ »

behnamoh wrote: post #88
Tangokat wrote: post #54

Incredibly depressing comments in this thread. He keeps OpenClaw open. He gets to work on what he finds most exciting and helps reach as many people as possible. Inspiring, what dreams are made of really. Top comments are about money and misguided racism. Personally I'm excited to see what he can do with more resources, OpenClaw clearly has a lot of potential but also a lot of improvements needed for his mum to use i…

He said on Lex Fridman podcast that he has no intention of joining any company; that was a couple days ago.

It sounded to me like he's choosing between Meta and OpenAI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjfBk8HI5o&t=8976

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Aurornis »

botusaurus wrote: post #208
Aurornis wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Peter single handedly got many of us taking Codex more seriously, at least that's my impression from the conversations I had. Comments like this feel confusing because I didn't have any association between Codex and OpenClaw before reading your comment. Codex was also seeing a lot of usage before OpenClaw. The whole OpenClaw hype bubble feels like there's a world of social media that I wasn't tapped into last month…

you didn't see because you dont follow peter on twitter. he talked for months now how codex is a better coder.

I’m not disputing that people who follow Peter are getting information from Peter. It’s the “single handedly” part of the claim that was strange.

I’m questioning how some people in that bubble came to believe he was at the center of that universe. He wasn’t the only person talking about the differences between Codex or Claude. Most of the LLM people I follow had their own thoughts and preferences that they advertised too.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by krashidov »

SamDc73 wrote: post #85
krashidov wrote: post #58

What a blunder by Anthropic. We'll see what openclaw turns into and if it sticks around, but still a huge and rare blunder by anthropic

I highly suspect he might even consider Anthropic since they enforced restrictions at some point on OpenClaw form using there APIs

yes that's the blunder I'm talking about

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by krackers »

zmmmmm wrote: post #201

Just like the original OpenAI story, this seems like a case of reputation hacking through asymmetry in risk tolerance. There is not much novel about OpenClaw. Anybody could have thought of this or done it. The reason people have not released an agent that would run by itself, edit its own code and be exposed to the internet is not that it's hard or novel - it's because it is an utterly reckless thing to do. No respon…

I think it's at the final stage of software pump and dump [1]. OpenAI is probably hiring more for the reputation/marketing, rather than for any technical skills behind OpenClaw.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46776848

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by herval »

ed_mercer wrote: post #220
ai-christianson wrote: post #214

For anyone looking at alternatives in this space - I built Gobii ( https://gobii.ai ) 8 months before OpenClaw existed. MIT licensed, cloud native, gVisor sandboxed. The sandboxing part matters more than people think. Giving an LLM a browser with full network access and no isolation is a real security problem that most projects in this space hand-wave away. Multi-provider LLM support (OpenAI, Anthropic, DeepSeek, ope…

Looks good! I'm curious, are customers fine with their data going to third-party LLM providers?

I think this ship has sailed pretty hard, by now. Pretty much any app you can possibly use, from iTerm to Slack, is sending data to third-party LLMs (sometimes explicitly, most times as small features here and there)

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by fny »

I really hope Mario who wrote the engine that powers OpenClaw[0] gets spoils as well.

OpenClaw is mostly a shell around this (ha!), and I've always been annoyed OpenClaw never credited those repos openly.

The pi agent repos are a joy to read, are 1/100th the size of OpenClaw, and have 95% of the functionality.

[0]: https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by maxaw »

While following OpenClaw, I noticed an unexpected resentment in myself. After some introspection, I realized it’s tied to seeing a project achieve huge success while ignoring security norms many of us struggled to learn the hard way. On one level, it’s selfish discomfort at the feeling of being left behind (“I still can’t bring myself to vibe code. I have to at least skim every diff. Meanwhile this guy is joining OpenAI”). On another level, it feels genuinely sad that the culture of enforcing security norms - work that has no direct personal reward and that end users will never consciously appreciate, but that only builders can uphold - seems to be on it’s way out

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by madihaa »

deadeye wrote: post #134

Openclaw did what no major model producer would do. Release insanly insecure software that can do whatever it wants on your machine. If openai had done it themselves, immediate backlash.

Major producers like OpenAI optimize for safety and brand reputation avoiding backlash. Open source projects optimize for raw capability and friction less experimentation. It is risky yes, but it allows for rapid innovation that strictly aligned models can't offer.
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