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Israel used thermal and thermobaric weapons in Gaza?

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Re: Israel used thermal and thermobaric weapons in Gaza?

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Post by Glawen »

max_ wrote: post #10

It really depresses me that there is so much emphasis on arms and weapons startups now days. Even some financed by Y Combinator. The thing about weapons is that these startups will have no control in what circumstances they are used. The hypocrisy is people coming here and claiming that such things happening in the world disturb them. The world would definitely be a safer place if everyone was a pacifist.

> The world would definitely be a safer place if everyone was a pacifist.

Misery, hunger and human exploitation would still exists, as recent history shows. War is a tool in resolving some issues, and you better have the best tools there is.

Re: Israel used thermal and thermobaric weapons in Gaza?

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

myth_drannon wrote: post #59
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always find it interesting that these conversations get flooded with new accounts making false equivalencies. Thermite grenades (~500g of explosive material) are not going to evaporate people like a 2000kg thermobaric weapon would. You might even say that Israel has more of an expectation of precision and reduction of civilian causalities given they have precise munitions.

It's equivalent in the results not the technical specs. In Israel they spent weeks sifting through the charred remains of the house to find at least a tooth of a child. People were gone on both sides. It's just for Palestinians most likely they are not going to get answers because it's impossible to sift trough millions of tons of earth and garbage. Germans have 2 million soldiers still MIA after 70 years of recovery…

In what world is Oct 7th and the resulting war equivalent for both sides?

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Post by myth_drannon »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #62
myth_drannon wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's equivalent in the results not the technical specs. In Israel they spent weeks sifting through the charred remains of the house to find at least a tooth of a child. People were gone on both sides. It's just for Palestinians most likely they are not going to get answers because it's impossible to sift trough millions of tons of earth and garbage. Germans have 2 million soldiers still MIA after 70 years of recovery…

In what world is Oct 7th and the resulting war equivalent for both sides?

I never compared a one day massacre and the following 2 year war. It was equivalence of missing bodies and the difficulty of finding remains.

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Post by piva00 »

mhb wrote: post #64

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> About Us

> ... Accordingly, the mission of HonestReporting is to ensure truth, integrity and fairness, and to combat ideological prejudice in journalism and the media, as it impacts Israel.

The name seems to be a red herring, their mission statement is to protect Israel.

> According to a 2025 report by fact-checking site Misbar, many members of HonestReporting's staff have links to the Israeli government and military, and several previously worked in pro-Israel advocacy or served in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).[4]

> In December 2024, Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar held a meeting with prominent figures from hasbara organizations, among them HonestReporting, announcing $150 million in funding to support their global outreach efforts.[21][4][22]

Clues that it is a pro-Israel mouthpiece. So Al-Jazeera vs HonestReporting cancels out?

Also from Wikipedia:

> In November 2023, HonestReporting published an article questioning whether Palestinian photojournalists had tipped off the Associated Press, Reuters, The New York Times and CNN prior to the October 7 attacks. The report led two Israeli politicians to threaten that these journalists be killed,[34] while the Israeli Prime Minister's office said the journalists were "accomplices in crimes against humanity".[35]

> On November 10, 2023, HonestReporting's director said he accepted that the media groups had no advance knowledge of the October 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.[1]

Re: Israel used thermal and thermobaric weapons in Gaza?

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Post by mhb »

piva00 wrote: post #65
mhb wrote: post #64

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> About Us > ... Accordingly, the mission of HonestReporting is to ensure truth, integrity and fairness, and to combat ideological prejudice in journalism and the media, as it impacts Israel. The name seems to be a red herring, their mission statement is to protect Israel. > According to a 2025 report by fact-checking site Misbar, many members of HonestReporting's staff have links to the Israeli government and milita…

>> ... Accordingly, the mission of HonestReporting is to ensure truth, integrity and fairness, and to combat ideological prejudice in journalism and the media, as it impacts Israel.

> The name seems to be a red herring, their mission statement is to protect Israel.

Even according to your quote, your rephrasing is inaccurate.

Re: Israel used thermal and thermobaric weapons in Gaza?

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Post by mmustapic »

spwa4 wrote: post #47
mmustapic wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the MK-84 can use tritonal, which the article mentions specifically. When exploding it can raise the temperature to several thousand degrees.

If you can think of such tiny details. Then, surely, you can also answer the larger idea, no? What are these weapons, more in general? What are they used for normally, what are they designed to do? And does the normal explanation perhaps make a lot more sense than pointing at the tiny details that fits a conspiracy theory?

What tiny detail? The whole point of the article is that they used bombs that can raise the temperature so high that it can “evaporate” people.

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Post by mmustapic »

rexpop wrote: post #56
mmustapic wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you always need more sources, that's why I don't dismiss it as propaganda. It would not be the first time that a news org lies, and it would not be the first time that the IDF lies.

> you always need more sources, that's why I don't dismiss it as propagand What?? I will dismiss it as propaganda until I see it corroborated by a more neutral third party.

Who would be neutral enough for you?
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