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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by mrob »

twoodfin wrote: post #194
torlok wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should just let people with overwhelming amounts of money research and fund new ways to trick people's lizard brains into giving them even more money.

If you’re going to organize your society around the theory that humans don’t actually possess free will, you’re going to produce a fair number of outcomes that a classical liberal would find abhorrent.

It's only assuming that free will requires effort to exert. They shouldn't be required to waste that effort on defending themselves from attempts to trick them into buying things they don't need.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by retired »

lemoncookiechip wrote: post #174

This comes from the same EU that's wholeheartedly embracing gambling across their member states, gambling mind you that children can just as easily jump into with their phones and some will, but devastating for grown-ups just as much. They're not alone in this by any means, America has also opened their doors for all forms of gambling like Kalshi which now even sponsors news networks of all things. The EU has this di…

In Spain I can’t even have a meal at a restaurant, get groceries or go to IKEA without someone trying to sell me lottery tickets. They really need to regulate that.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by MBCook »

mrob wrote: post #253
initramfs2 wrote: post #247

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That's gonna probably just create a bunch of loopholes or hacks like paying with favors instead of cash

Loopholes can be addressed on a case-by-case basis. A solution being imperfect is not a good reason to leave the problem completely unaddressed.

This by the way is my understanding of why the EU writes laws the way they do.

If they just banned infinite scrolling someone would come up with something equivalent that works slightly differently. Now they need a whole new law. It’s just constant whack-a-mole.

So instead they seem to ban goals. Your thing accomplishes that goal? It’s banned.

It’s a pretty different way than how we seem to do things in the US. But I can see upsides.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

coldtea wrote: post #272
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #244

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The "legal definition of advertising" is the thing you have to write into the law you want to enact. If you can't answer the question as the proponent of the proposal then how is a judge expected to do it?

What the parent is getting at is it's not a mystery, such definitions already exist in all kinds of jurisdictions. In any case it's trivial to come up with such a definition that covers most cases. Doesn't matter if it doesn't cover some gray areas or 100% of it. Laws can be supplemented and ammended. We don't have an all-encompassing definition of porn either, but we have legal definitions, and we have legal framewo…

> Doesn't matter if it doesn't cover some gray areas or 100% of it.

That's exactly the thing that matters when you're dealing with something where every loophole is going to have a caravan of trucks driving through it.

> We don't have an all-encompassing definition of porn either, but we have legal definitions, and we have legal frameworks regarding it.

You're picking the thing which is a hopeless disaster as your exemplar?

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Post by lobf »

coldtea wrote: post #250
ahallock wrote: post #240

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Banning ads? That's just so authoritarian and absurd. I hope you never become king

Have we come to such a low cultural point that ads are seen as some kind of basic human right? Fuck ads. What's absurd is tolerating them and the damage they do to media, consumers, kids, lesser and/or more honest businesses, culture, products, and so on all the way to the Windows and macOS system UIs.

I work in ads... :-/

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by gchamonlive »

gpm wrote: post #255
gchamonlive wrote: post #225

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Infrastructure costs money. There's no way around it. I'm all up for banning ads. But there should be another viable business model to replace it.

I don't think we have a right to a business model. Either you figure one out for your particular site (selling access to the website, donations, etc) or you don't and stop and either is ok.

For Google, they figured out it's ads... So is it ok?

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by gchamonlive »

lobf wrote: post #285
coldtea wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have we come to such a low cultural point that ads are seen as some kind of basic human right? Fuck ads. What's absurd is tolerating them and the damage they do to media, consumers, kids, lesser and/or more honest businesses, culture, products, and so on all the way to the Windows and macOS system UIs.

I work in ads... :-/

What do you do? Honest question

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by burnto »

Funes- wrote: post #158
jjcm wrote: post #64

Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

>"well what specific laws would I write to combat addictive design?" Hear me out: banning advertising on the Internet. It's the only way. It's the primordial domino tile. You knock that one over, every other tile follows suit. It's the mother of chain reactions. There would be no social media, no Internet as we know it. Imagine having TikTok, YouTube or X trying to survive on subscriptions alone in their current iter…

That’s a thought-provoking suggestion. Most services would go out of business, and there would be a cascade of change. I wonder what would remain?

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Post by Hikikomori »

gchamonlive wrote: post #225
Funes- wrote: post #158

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>"well what specific laws would I write to combat addictive design?" Hear me out: banning advertising on the Internet. It's the only way. It's the primordial domino tile. You knock that one over, every other tile follows suit. It's the mother of chain reactions. There would be no social media, no Internet as we know it. Imagine having TikTok, YouTube or X trying to survive on subscriptions alone in their current iter…

Infrastructure costs money. There's no way around it. I'm all up for banning ads. But there should be another viable business model to replace it.

Sounds good to me.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by thunderfork »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #243
happytoexplain wrote: post #215

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Why write like this? This is what sick internet communities look like. Mocking people for their account age, advocating for hating people for the sin of being addicted to social media. This is antisocial behavior, and we should do everything in our power to eject it from the small remaining pockets of sanity on the internet.

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By this logic, you can cure alcoholism by simply not buying alcohol, surely.
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