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Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by soperj »

wtallis wrote: post #209
soperj wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. They sold old hardware for the same price 3 years later as if it was a premium product. They didn't really have an excuse, they've been the most valuable public company on earth since like 2010.

Selling an old model for a few years after its replacement shows up is not unusual. The only thing unusual here is that the 12" MacBook didn't end up actually replacing the MacBook Air in the long run, and the next major iteration went back to being called "MacBook Air". The three-year gap in processor updates you're complaining about disappears when you recognize the 12" MacBook as an attempt to move the product lin…

> disappears when you recognize the 12" MacBook as an attempt to move the product line in a different direction, which Apple partially backtracked on after a few years.

and if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle. As far as I can glean this was never something that they intended to do.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by latexr »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #234
latexr wrote: post #204

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> Another random blog post about the broken iOS keyboard would not get any traction. Nonsense. Complaints about Apple’s declining software quality get a lot of traction on HN. Here’s another example from today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46997008 And lookie here, what was submitted within one hour of that post? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46996575 This exact same submission! Which didn’t get any tr…

There are dozens of blog posts about this, and this one is trending on HN. Anyway, why are you so upset about this? Why are you calling my comment "nonsense" and obsessing over this counter? It's clearly having an effect on you, which was its purpose. Realistically, another post about Apple's borked keyboard should create zero emotional response, yet here we are.

I think you’re projecting. How is mentioning a counter once in one comment “obsessing”? I’m glad this post is getting traction, I’m pretty open about my disdain for Apple’s declining software quality and Tim Cook’s management, I welcome posts that shine more light on it.

> Realistically, another post about Apple's borked keyboard should create zero emotional response

Of course that is not true. That is trivial to disprove.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46232528

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by thewebguyd »

sunaookami wrote: post #124
lysace wrote: post #119

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I'm getting a strong feeling that the first generation of really, really talented people who built iOS in the 2000s have now to a substantial degree moved on/retired. Similar feeling with OS X/macOS. Please correct me if I'm wrong - it is after all just a feeling.

I have this feeling for every software out there.

It’s not overly far fetched. A lot of the software and platforms we use now we’re all developed around the same time period.

There’s obviously new talent coming in to the industry but the attitudes are different, and talented people like to make new things not work on someone else’s legacy code.

So yeah I think it’ll continue to get worse until something new replaces iOS/Android/macOs/Windows hegemony.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by abhinavk »

prof-dr-ir wrote: post #103

I agree that this behavior is insane and should be fixed. Do however note that it is possible to install another keyboard on iOS, which may alleviate your suffering before you switch to Android in about 120 days. Personally I rely on Gboard [0] every day for the simple reason that it auto-detects several (more than two) languages, and of course it has the added benefit of not having this crazy bug. Gboard is google s…

Gboard for iOS has been discontinued though. On top of that, 3rd party keyboards are a bit limited on iOS (which might be a good thing for some people).

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by DamnInteresting »

filoleg wrote: post #229
DamnInteresting wrote: post #227

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It's still there, it's just difficult to know when it will appear. Sometimes it takes one more tap than expected, or sometimes one must deselect a word and tap again, or change focus away and back again. Very sloppy UI.

Yeah, it is still there, and there is a pretty clear cut logic for when it will appear. If you tap while a word is selected, it won’t appear. If you tap on the cursor while a word isn’t selected, it will appear.

If by "clear cut logic" you mean a consistent process, then sure. But if you mean intuitive, I must disagree.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by arnoooooo »

Liftyee wrote: post #6

As a lifelong Android user (in the EU, where Apple hegemony is not as strong) I always saw Apple as the "pay more for more polished ecosystem UX" option. So it always surprises me when things that are trivial on Android/Linux are sticking points on iOS/macOS. Worse, it seems that proprietary means you can't do anything to fix them yourself.

I also had that idea before I tried to use Apple products to help friends... I really was amazed at the hoops you had to jump through for things which should have been really simple. That was a long time ago.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by WolfeReader »

bix6 wrote: post #64

I really wish someone could start a legitimate competitor to Apple. They are so bloated and just squeezing service revenue out of us. The M chips are great but the software is so buggy.

What would a "legitimate competitor" look like to you?

Samsung and LG make high-end phones, and there are plenty of good personal computer vendors. And Windows is certainly a desktop OS that some people choose.

Apple doesn't offer any services unique to itself. It does offer a slick-looking and well-marketed "ecosystem" which is really just a bunch of different things that you could get from other vendors.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by dqv »

nathantotten wrote: post #132
BinStorm wrote: post #115

I love the fervor with which this is written, but the threat is so weak I literally chuckled. Imagine your an exec or manager on the team for keyboard development. You read this, get to the end to discover the user is gonna switch devices for... 2 whole calander years? What's that amount to? Maybe 2 device upgrades on If your a die hard gotta have the newest latest model phone each year. Then what? you'll be back? Th…

I think this is the wrong read on the “threat”. One user going out of their way to spent time writing this post is a canary in the coal mine. Most users never give feedback, they just churn. This is the same reason your toothpaste has a phone number on the back - that one random person who cares deeply calls the number and provides invaluable feedback on the product. It’s not about the one person, it’s about that per…

It's one of the downsides of having dedicated and fervent fans. They obfuscate problems regular users are having by drowning them out with praise for Apple.

During my last weeks on the iPhone, I reached out to various Apple discussion spaces on the web for help with some problems I was having.

I was met not with assistance, but ridicule. The majority of the people "helping" were saying some variation of "you're holding it wrong" or "I personally don't have that problem" (which is such a funny quirk of the Apple fandom - I didn't ask if you are having that problem, I'm asking for help achieving a specific outcome).

You can even see examples of this sort of behavior in that post about the window resize handles for the latest version of macOS. There were Apple fans saying some variation of it's not an actual problem, that they don't have that problem, that they don't use the window resize handles anyway, or that the post was an exaggeration. Turns out it was an actual problem that Apple addressed with a bug fix. Of course, Apple fans, being shameless, will jump to reframing the discussion from "Apple can do no wrong" to "See, Apple listens! You know who doesn't listen? Microsoft!!" I get it, not a monolith, but recognizing Apple fans aren't a monolith doesn't make them less off-putting.

The final nail in the coffin for me for the ecosystem was getting called a child for *checks notes* making the adult decision to move to Android to have a phone that did the things I needed (with much fewer annoying, uncritical fans and a lot more people who genuinely want to help).

So, yes, there is a danger in letting the fandom do all the work and laughing off "threats" of user exoduses. The conduct of Apple fans coupled with Apple's ignorance to regular users' feedback soured me to the ecosystem. It would take a lot to bring me back. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by CodeMage »

Zak wrote: post #47
CodeMage wrote: post #16

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I just learned about this, too. It turns out that in the US, being an iPhone user is cool and being an Android user is lame, and you can tell who's who in group chats, because the messages that go over iMessage are represented with blue speech bubbles and the rest are in green bubbles.

That's not quite how it works. You can't have a group chat that's mixed iMessage and SMS/MMS. If an iMessage user creates a group chat where not everyone is using iMessage, then it's MMS. I suppose now it could be RCS if everyone's using a device and carrier that supports RCS, but I haven't kept up with that. MMS has a bunch of limitations relative to any modern internet messaging app, so people don't want to use tha…

Thanks. I don't actually have an iPhone, so my freshly acquired "knowledge" of this was based on reading about it on the Internet and I misunderstood what I read.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by dlcarrier »

nozzlegear wrote: post #145
Liftyee wrote: post #6

As a lifelong Android user (in the EU, where Apple hegemony is not as strong) I always saw Apple as the "pay more for more polished ecosystem UX" option. So it always surprises me when things that are trivial on Android/Linux are sticking points on iOS/macOS. Worse, it seems that proprietary means you can't do anything to fix them yourself.

Anecdote but I've never had issues with the keyboard, or with Siri mishearing me (just to touch on another common pain point that people talk about re: Apple tech). I've always interpreted stories like this as the people who are most affected by it being vocal and speaking out (as they should), while the majority who aren't just have nothing to say because it all works fine. > Worse, it seems that proprietary means y…

    …or with Siri mishearing…
Sounds like you won the lottery. I've never used a voice recognition engine that worked even close to reliably, nor seen anyone else.

I just want a small set of commands that are easy to differentiate from each other, and a readback before executing the command. This is what phones did back in the days of Symbian, and I could reliably use one from a motorcycle helmet intercom without ever touching my phone. It's what air traffic controllers do, because even people can't reliably understand each other.

We've had decades of Apple and Google pretending that their voice recognition is so flawless it can understand anything and execute it immediately, but for petty much everyone except yourself they can't, so I can no longer use a hands-free phone. I'm glad I'm not blind.

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