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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by cleaning »

Someone1234 wrote: post #49
cleaning wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The defaults in every OS are set made for power users (i.e. anyone doing more than browsing the web and using office). With Windows you need to remove most of the cruft, Mac is no different; most people are using some combination of Raycast, Rectangle, Alfred, etc...

On Windows you have to change a few settings, on Mac you're suggesting all third-party software to manage core functionality. Apples Vs. oranges. I mean, yes, Windows has PowerToys which is an installed add-on, but on Mac we're not talking about Mac Vs. PowerToys, Mac isn't even competing with basic Windows features. PowerToys is competing with the PAID third-party software for Mac.

I don't think this is a meaningful distinction. Most people here likely change more than just a 'few settings' and either download one of the debloat tools or generate an autounattend.xml before installing, and some replace the default search with Everything.

Unless you're working in an environment where absolutely no third party tools are allowed, it's expected for someone to spend at least a little bit of time adjusting the workspace to their preferences.

Additionally all of the tools I listed technically have paid plans but they're all free to use, I've never paid for Raycast yet even the free features blow out of the water any desktop management/productivity tooling I've used on Windows or Linux.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by nozzlegear »

msephton wrote: post #109
2bitencryption wrote: post #36

The interesting part, for anyone who actually reads the article - the change was fixed in an RC and then reverted in the final release. Which implies there was some regression, some issue, some incorrect behavior or negative impact. One has to wonder… what could it have been? What could the issue with having a more accurate clickbox for the corner of the window possibly be?

I think it shows how difficult it is to ship a seemingly easy thing inside the Apple machine. I'm more interested in how or why this bug was approved up be worked on so quickly after it was surfaced, rather than other longstanding and arguably more impactful bugs.

The answer is probably a ho-hum combination of different teams work on different issues, and this one having annoyed one of the devs who could work on it.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by asdff »

noduerme wrote: post #53
sneak wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> After command shift 4 to take a screenshot I think it's actually physically impossible to edit it within 60 seconds. This is completely incorrect, and the solution is way more discoverable than needing to know obscure things like Win+E. Click the thumbnail that appears in the bottom right, then click the marker icon. > For example, "open two file browsers, navigate to $home in one and $downloads in the other, move…

The bottom right thumbnail thing really bugged me and confused me when it came out, because I always just want the screenshot on the desktop right away, as it used to be. I don't know why they couldn't have the delay/thumbnail AND put the file somewhere I could reach it immediately. But IIRC, there is some setting that disables the thumbnail behavior and lets the file be written instantly.

For me I want it to hang around longer actually. I will take the screenshot I want, open up mail or messages or something to dump it there. Right as my mouse is hovered over it and a milisecond before I can click it, it jumps away. I've resorted to sometimes giving it a partial drag which resets the counter while I am still getting situated over to wherever the screenshot is going.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by tom_ »

mvdtnz wrote: post #112
blindriver wrote: post #100

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Just revert the code back to pre-26! This is ridiculous, it can't possibly be this hard and if it is, it just points to the degradation in the quality of Apple software! This is maddening!

Pre-Tahoe windows didn't have these stupid round corners (which is the ACTUAL bug which should be fix).

I am using Sequoia and the windows are definitely rounded! Though the radius is pretty small (the curved region is about a quarter of the mouse cursor area), so the fact you can drag it from outside the window doesn't look ridiculous.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by asdff »

firen777 wrote: post #96
dham wrote: post #59

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Mac has always had horrible window management. Made worse because applications and windows are a separate concept. Used to seem clever but in the world of multiple workspaces it's a terrible decision. Now it's even worse trying to manage multiple llms and projects.

> because applications and windows are a separate concept Is this the reason why "closed" applications still show up in cmd+tab?

Yeah the application is still loaded in ram.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by asdff »

ed_mercer wrote: post #114
keyle wrote: post #85

What the hell is going on at Apple? Where are the engineers allocated to? Who's driving the bus? Cause it sure ain't Siri either.

Hardware first, software second

I wish whoever sacked up and gave the macbook pro its ports again would work for the iphone dept. Me want 3.5mm.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by Nevermark »

tlhunter wrote: post #108

What drives me nuts is if I slam my cursor against the right side of the window with the intent to click and drag the scroll bar of a maximized window up and down then the 1px wide window border gets selected and the whole window moves up and down. This has been a bug for several years.

When I select there, if I pull away from the window it resizes and won't drag. If I move the pointer up-down on the right or left side, it moves the window and won't resize.

Which seems like a sensible and convenient choice to me.

Maybe it isn't working so predictably for you?

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by userbinator »

What astounds me the most about this whole thing is that the sort of hit testing involved here is a solved problem in UI, and has been for decades, yet there are still plenty of others here and elsewhere arguing about how it isn't. Even with those horrid rounded corners it's not hard, as shown in the article, which makes me wonder whether there is some internal fight between those who didn't want rounded corners (developers?) and hence tried their hardest to make it buggier, and those who wanted them (designers?), with lots of back-and-forth that eventually gave us this outcome. A disturbing amount of time and $$$ was probably spent on it, as is usual for any bureaucracy.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by StilesCrisis »

msephton wrote: post #109
2bitencryption wrote: post #36

The interesting part, for anyone who actually reads the article - the change was fixed in an RC and then reverted in the final release. Which implies there was some regression, some issue, some incorrect behavior or negative impact. One has to wonder… what could it have been? What could the issue with having a more accurate clickbox for the corner of the window possibly be?

I think it shows how difficult it is to ship a seemingly easy thing inside the Apple machine. I'm more interested in how or why this bug was approved up be worked on so quickly after it was surfaced, rather than other longstanding and arguably more impactful bugs.

It's because the bug got publicity. Apple marketing prioritizes what does and doesn't get built. Someone saw bad publicity on the front page of HN and requested a fix.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by StilesCrisis »

terhechte wrote: post #77
kiwijamo wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Even Windows has some nice stuff when it comes to windows management IMHO. Every time I end up on macOS I miss the various Windows/GNOME behaviours e.g. window snapping to the right/left half, pressing the Win key to see all open apps, maximise buttons that doesn't put the whole app into full screen mode, etc.

I agree that macOS has become worse, however your examples don't really count: Window snapping was implemented some time ago: https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/12/macos-sequoia-window-ti... Instead of win key, you can press F3, or just set a hotkey that works for you in the System Preferences Instead of clicking the red maximize button, you can double-click the window header / title. This will use an algorithm to try…

Maximize is green. (Any chance you might be color blind?)
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