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Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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> And culture is, by and large, random, arbitrary, and self-reinforcing. The best definition of "culture" I've ever found is "how we do things 'round here". It's valid in both the large and in the small. Of course, why and how we converge on those norms is mysterious, and the anthropologists, the psychologists, and etc. can have a go at explaining those parts. I can't.

I'm partial to "culture is shared expectations".

Which can, of course, be random, self-reinforcing, etc.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I got involved in my community and active in the political movements here. When you start making issues visible and get your neighbors vocalizing the issues themselves But you didn't actually succeed in cleaning up New York, right? So maybe the problem is a culture that prioritizes "making issues visible" and engaging the "community" in "political movements," instead of every parent teaching their child from a youn…

Is it a culture of "not my problem"? Maybe bad example but, Let's say you spill some food at a fast food place, shopping mall, airport. Do you make an effort to clean it up yourself or are you like "It's someone's job to clean this place therefore I can just leave it for them". Maybe that's too harsh an example but I see locals cleaning the streets in Japan, not government hired street sweepers. I don't know the deta…

In socal cleanliness depends on certain factors. Generally the clean areas are clean because someone is formally paid to maintain the property.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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post #3

> For an Italian like me, this whole process is nothing short of a miracle. I grew up in a city where metro train boarding during rush hour feels like a prelude to the apocalypse Going Japan reminds me of coming to the U.S. from Bangladesh. It’s so clean, so orderly, so disciplined. I’m in a grumpy mood for weeks when I get back to the U.S. Our major cities are such dumps in comparison to Tokyo or Kyoto.

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Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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post #28

Queueing culture is hilarious. Indians > Italians (ok, Italians are probably more entertaining), brits (I imagined them trying to bring queueing to indians and gave up... although india does have a semi-line culture in limited ways nowadays). As an american, grocery checkout queueing always angered me.

I hear the Chinese don't even have a word for it >..<

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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> And culture is, by and large, random, arbitrary, and self-reinforcing. The best definition of "culture" I've ever found is "how we do things 'round here". It's valid in both the large and in the small. Of course, why and how we converge on those norms is mysterious, and the anthropologists, the psychologists, and etc. can have a go at explaining those parts. I can't.

I think you're missing one element. It works. The culture in Germany in 1600 compared with the culture in Germany in 2026 is very, very different, even though the geography hasn't changed. That's because in the modern world nearly none of the culture of the old Germany works.

This is not unique to Germany, of course. We long ago gave up on the four humours theory. We long ago gave up on burning women who wear pants. We long ago gave up of many things that used to be European culture.

The culture of queuing in Japan works because you are looked down upon if you don't participate and because it is better than the random stuff we do in the West. However, it would probably disappear pretty soon if it wasn't also a good solution.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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> And culture is, by and large, random, arbitrary, and self-reinforcing. The best definition of "culture" I've ever found is "how we do things 'round here". It's valid in both the large and in the small. Of course, why and how we converge on those norms is mysterious, and the anthropologists, the psychologists, and etc. can have a go at explaining those parts. I can't.

> > And culture is, by and large, random, arbitrary, and self-reinforcing. Culture, by and large, isn't random nor arbitrary. Culture is obviously influenced by the past and the environment, but it's mostly artificially created by the elites. Once established it is self-reinforcing. > Of course, why and how we converge on those norms is mysterious, and the anthropologists, the psychologists, and etc. can have a go at…

This is the kind of half-baked stuff the parent is talking about. You're vaguely guesturing at the same ideas as Bourdieu, but missing most of the nuance behind his conception of capital.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

#58
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of our non-major cities are even bigger dumps then. I live in Nyc for 8 years. I didn’t sit around the whole time b-ing and moaning that the city had a trash problem. I got involved in my community and active in the political movements here. When you start making issues visible and get your neighbors vocalizing the issues themselves, a lot more gets done than being in a “grumpy mood” about it indefinitely. The re…

> I got involved in my community and active in the political movements here. When you start making issues visible and get your neighbors vocalizing the issues themselves But you didn't actually succeed in cleaning up New York, right? So maybe the problem is a culture that prioritizes "making issues visible" and engaging the "community" in "political movements," instead of every parent teaching their child from a youn…

Yes we are succeeding.

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/09/16/good-trade-off-rat-ha...

https://gothamist.com/news/the-hottest-clubs-in-nyc-these-da...

I would even count Congestion Pricing as cleaning up the city:

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/traffic_and_transit/2025/12...

SLC is a major city and a dump then by your observation-only position.

> instead of every parent teaching their child from a young age to pick up after themselves

What? Are you going to fine or arrest every parent that doesn’t teach their kids to pick up after themselves? How has expecting parents to do that worked out so far? Their culture is similar to how you suggest to operate: just complain about society instead.

That’s why they don’t teach their kids to pick up after themselves.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Queuing culture is just baseline respect from my POV. Same with not littering, respecting shared (public) resources, etc. Actually quite unbelievable to see it considered hilarious.

Certain workflows prefer non-queueing, for instance the throng empowers the bartender to load balance different groups, delay drinks to over consumers, etc etc. So other cultures can have those workflows in places we might not expect, that is not necessarily a matter of respect. In pub culture, queueing disrespects the bartender.

It depends. Many places in the UK have a tradition of "virtual queuing" at bars; they don't stand in a line because that would usually block the space, but everyone remembers who was before them. Usually the barkeep remembers as well, but sometimes they ask "who's next" and people defer to those ahead. But load balancing also happens.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

#60
my far less eloquent take...

you know that voice in the back of your end that amps you up for your first day of a new job, or springs to life when you see someone doing something annoying like cutting in line, or fuels the anxiety in the back of your mind as you lay awake at night? that's just your inner voice, right?

well, really, a lot of people share inner voices. everyone has their own spin on it, and some people's inner voices are completely different than anyone else's (maybe schizophrenics? or prophets?), but generally there are shared components.

the collective aspects of these shared inner voices, if not culture, are at the very least what creates culture.

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