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Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by renegade-otter »

dabinat wrote: post #14

I feel like the difference between Steve Jobs’ and Tim Cook’s leadership styles is that Cook is really good at optimizing existing processes, but does not have the vision to capitalize on what’s next. Apple got into the smartphone game at the right time with a lot of new ideas. But whatever the next big shift in technology is, they will be left behind. I don’t know if that is AI, but it’s clear that in AI they are al…

Supply chain optimization WAS Cook's original role. This is what made Apple the juggernaut it is today, so your observation is not totally random.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by kotaKat »

DrProtic wrote: post #110

This thread is an example how 24h news cycle hurts brain cells. They are late with a release, they must have unlearned to build software.

It’s because the writer keeps having to parrot the same garbage he guesses over and over again to prop up his paid newsletter.

I am so tired of every Sunday when he unleashes his garbage out upon the masses and every Apple blog shits it back out as reliable info.

One of his recent “guesses” was that iOS 26.4 beta would be out soon. Like, really?

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by ragazzina »

vachina wrote: post #78
PlunderBunny wrote: post #41

Given the way current LLMs hallucinate, and given that Apple (presumably) won’t accept this behaviour in Siri, I’m skeptical that existing technology (or existing technology scaled up) can ever create the Siri Apple and its customers want.

Yeah. Apple don’t half ass things. This is why people take their products seriously.

You are in a thread complaining about the most half-assed digital assistant in the industry.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by deaux »

pjmlp wrote: post #133
alwillis wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Macs were only 8% of Apple's 2025 revenue. If the Mac were its own standalone business, it would rank at no. 134 on the Fortune 500 with $33.7 billion in revenue. Also, that's a 12% increase in revenue compared to 2024. If anything, AI has brought more attention to the Mac. Just about every major AI app is released for the Mac first. I've seen complaints about it on HN. The latest is Claude Cowork. It was released…

Outside US, most people that buy Macs do so because they are developers targeting iDevices, or can afford Apple and want the ecosystem that comes with their iDevice. An independent Mac business that doesn't have such tie-ins, would sell much less.

Where you live, maybe. It really depends on the country even outside the US. A lot of it is, to this day, because of things like Final Cut and Logic. Either because they dabble in it as a hobby or professionally.

A lot of the recent growth is developers in general, there's really been a huge shift there. 2010 developers using Macs vs 2026 developers using Macs, if you look at personal devices or workplaces that give them a choice. Biggest driver being Apple Silicon.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by neya »

seec wrote: post #103
neya wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I think it's exactly the opposite, actually. They've integrated AI flawlessly into existing products to an extent nobody else has even come close to. Photos, for instance" Have you used a Samsung? Apple's AI miserably fails in every comparison out there in the photos app. There's also Google Photos with Gemini which helps you find any photo you want with AI better than anyone else. But sure, Apple has the best AI in…

That's just the typical Apple distortion field. I have been using Apple devices and supporting many of their users for over 20 years, and they are all extremely invested in their choice of computing device. It's really a source of pride for many of them, weirdly. For this reason, anything Apple does is necessarily better than everything else on the market. It's a bit pointless to argue because they come from an emoti…

I agree completely. This sort of emotional immaturity was acceptable a decade ago. But today? They are behind everything. I have 3 Macs, 2 iPads and 1 iPhone and their software is sh*t. iPad pro is a joke. It should be illegal to use the label pro as it constitutes false marketing. It's such a dumb OS for the kind of hardware you get. What's the use if it has M3 Pro or whatever if the OS can't keep up. Half the time, it's filled with bugs. Same story for iOS. Mac OS is great..so far. But, their phones are garbage. I have to save my documents into Google drive just so they work fine. What a joke.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by dgxyz »

halapro wrote: post #93
nilkn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just my opinion: Apple doesn't need to solve AI. It's not core to their business in the same way that search engines aren't core to their business. What Apple does best lies at the combination of hardware, software, physical materials, and human-computer interface design. This is why they're spending so much more on mixed reality than AI, even knowing that a product like the Vision Pro today isn't going to be a big s…

> It's not core to their business You're not thinking ahead. AI isn't just chat bots and image editing. I want to tell my phone: I'm road tripping to XYZ tomorrow, 10 am to 5 pm. and have my phone become a guide for the day, including stops it knows I like and hotel in my price range with the amenities it knows I need. If I get hungry it just slips in a stop wherever I ask. This can come as an "everything app" or it…

I do this by hand and always will.

The moment this is automated and overseen by an AI implementation it'll turn into a marketing game like SEO did. You'll end up staying at the hotel which spends the most money on getting itself into the training data and forcing reviews on people immediately before the stay is up.

It's bad enough already. But I do not want someone making decisions for me on that and booking things, which is the only uplift that an AI implementation can give over the current situation.

It's a race to the bottom. Nothing more.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by Noaidi »

nilkn wrote: post #26
dabinat wrote: post #14

I feel like the difference between Steve Jobs’ and Tim Cook’s leadership styles is that Cook is really good at optimizing existing processes, but does not have the vision to capitalize on what’s next. Apple got into the smartphone game at the right time with a lot of new ideas. But whatever the next big shift in technology is, they will be left behind. I don’t know if that is AI, but it’s clear that in AI they are al…

Just my opinion: Apple doesn't need to solve AI. It's not core to their business in the same way that search engines aren't core to their business. What Apple does best lies at the combination of hardware, software, physical materials, and human-computer interface design. This is why they're spending so much more on mixed reality than AI, even knowing that a product like the Vision Pro today isn't going to be a big s…

> What Apple does best lies at the combination of hardware, software, physical materials, and human-computer interface design.

And they’re failing at that too! I purchased an iPhone 16e thinking it would be like the iPhone SE, but what I got was worse than an SE. They used an old chip and I can tell you this phone cannot keep up with liquid glass, which they forced me to use and did not let me roll back.

And now we have the iPhone 17 suffering from chipping on the back of the phones.

The only reason Apple is succeeding is the only other thing is worse. And yes, I’m talking about android.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by Tarq0n »

halapro wrote: post #93
nilkn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just my opinion: Apple doesn't need to solve AI. It's not core to their business in the same way that search engines aren't core to their business. What Apple does best lies at the combination of hardware, software, physical materials, and human-computer interface design. This is why they're spending so much more on mixed reality than AI, even knowing that a product like the Vision Pro today isn't going to be a big s…

> It's not core to their business You're not thinking ahead. AI isn't just chat bots and image editing. I want to tell my phone: I'm road tripping to XYZ tomorrow, 10 am to 5 pm. and have my phone become a guide for the day, including stops it knows I like and hotel in my price range with the amenities it knows I need. If I get hungry it just slips in a stop wherever I ask. This can come as an "everything app" or it…

Disregarding for a moment whether that's what HN-greybeards want or not, being behind in this area doesn't necessarily preclude Apple from catching up later. There's enough of a market that they can buy it from one of Google's competitors if they have to.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by xnx »

fartfeatures wrote: post #8

This was such a self inflicted own goal. Siri has needed work for years and every year they neglected it. When they first bought Siri it was state of the art and then it just languished. Pulling an Intel and sweating your assets until it is too late is never a good idea.

No amount of prior work would have achieved what anyone can now cobble together from an open weights LLM.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by ulfw »

dilap wrote: post #57
ronnier wrote: post #12

Is it not impressive what xai did with Grok? It's already integrated into twitter and my Tesla. So quickly? What prevented apple from doing the same but building out their equivalent of grok?

Leadership matters!

Yea no mate. Then how would Grok function at all?
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