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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by retsibsi »

zo1 wrote: post #587
retsibsi wrote: post #581

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> This dev is clearly writing his reply with Claude > You can even see the emdash attempt (markdown renders two normal dashes as an emdash) He says he wrote it all manually.[0] Obviously I can't know if that's true, but I do think your internal AI detector is at least overconfident. For example, some of us have been regularly using the double hyphen since long before the LLM era. (In Word, it auto-corrects to an en d…

> `For example, some of us have been regularly using the double hyphen since long before the LLM era. This "emdash" and "double dash" discussion and mention is the first time I have heard of it or seen discussion of it. I've never encountered it in the wild, nor seen it used in any meaningful way in all my time on the internet these last 27 years. And yes - I've seen that special dash character in word for many years…

Sounds like you see me as an untrustworthy source, so all I can suggest is that you look into this yourself. Search for "--" in pre-LLM forum postings and see how many hits you get.

Here are my pre-2020 HN comments, with 3 double hyphens in 8 comments: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1576108800&dateRange=custom&...

As I was in the process of typing the search term to get my comments (and had just typed 'author'), this happened to come up as the top search result for Comments by Date for Feb 1st 2000 > Dec 12th 2019: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21768030

Note that I wasn't searching directly for the double hyphen, which doesn't seem to work -- the first result just happened to contain one. If I'm covering for the Anthropic guy, I could be lying about the process by which I found that comment, but I think you should at least see this as sufficient reason to question your assumptions and do some searches of your own.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by adastra22 »

bcherny wrote: post #402
steinnes wrote: post #400

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I can’t count how many times I benefitted from seeing the files Claude was reading, to understand how I could interrupt and give it a little more context… saving thousands of tokens and sparing the context window. I must be in the minority of users who preferred seeing the actual files. I love claude code, but some of the recent updates seem like they’re making it harder for me to see what’s happening.. I agree with…

I think folks might be crossing wires a bit. To make it so you can see full file paths, we repurposed verbose mode to enable the old explicit file output, while hiding more details behind ctrl+o. In effect, we've evolved verbose mode to be multi-state, so that it lets you toggle back to the old behavior while giving you a way to see even more verbose output, while still defaulting everyone else to the condensed view.…

We don’t want verbose mode. We don’t want the whole file contents. We are not asking for that. What is not clear here?

All we want is the file paths. That is all. Verbose mode pulls in a lot of other information that might very well be needed in other contexts. People who want that info should use verbose mode. All we want is the regular non-verbose mode, with paths.

I fail to see how it is confusing to users, even new users, to print which paths were accessed. I fail to see the point of printing that some paths were accessed, but not which.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by snovv_crash »

extr wrote: post #462
bcherny wrote: post #419

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Yes totally. ctrl+o used to show all messages, but this is one of the tricky things about building in a terminal: because many terminals are quite slow, it is hard to render a large amount of output at once without causing tearing/stutter. That said, we recently rewrote our renderer to make it much more efficient, so we can bump up the default a bit. Let me see what it feels like to show the last 10-20 messages -- fi…

thanks dude. you are living my worst nightmare which is that my ultra cool tech demo i made for cracked engineers on the bleeding edge with 128GB ram apple silicon using frontier AI gets adopted by everyone in the world and becomes load bearing so now it needs to run on chromebooks from 2005. and if it doesn't work on those laptops then my entire company gets branded as washed and not goated and my cozy twitter accou…

Your worst nightmare. For me this is the cool part.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by pbasista »

massysett wrote: post #291
pbasista wrote: post #156

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The below remark is unrelated to the main topic of this thread. Why would you even watch a YouTube video with ads? There are ad blockers, sponsor segment blockers, etc. If you use them, it will block almost every kind of YouTube ad.

I used to use ad blockers. One day I visited DistroWatch.com. The site deliberately tweaked its images so ad blockers would block some "good" images. It took me awhile to figure out what was going on. The site freely admitted what it was doing. The site's point was: you're looking at my site, which I provide for free, yet you block the thing that lets me pay for the site? I stopped using ad blockers after that. If a…

> If a site has content worth paying for, I pay.

I do that as well. For me it is almost exclusively the case with the news sites.

> If it is a horrible ad-infested hole, I don't visit it at all.

Same.

> Otherwise, I load ads.

There is no "otherwise" for me. I simply do not want to load any kind of ads or "sponsored" content. I see no reason, either moral, ethical or other, to ever do that.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by [deleted] »

bcherny wrote: post #386

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. I wanted to take a sec to explain the context for this change. One of the hard things about building a product on an LLM is that the model frequently changes underneath you. Since we introduced Claude Code almost a year ago, Claude has gotten more intelligent, it runs for longer periods of time, and it is able to more agentically use more tools. This is one of the magical th…

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by Jean-Papoulos »

bcherny wrote: post #386

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. I wanted to take a sec to explain the context for this change. One of the hard things about building a product on an LLM is that the model frequently changes underneath you. Since we introduced Claude Code almost a year ago, Claude has gotten more intelligent, it runs for longer periods of time, and it is able to more agentically use more tools. This is one of the magical th…

You've reached the stage where if something is possible in CC, someone out there is using it. Taking anything away will have them ask for it back ; you need to let people toggle things. https://xkcd.com/1172/

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by nake89 »

taude wrote: post #359
pbasista wrote: post #156

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The below remark is unrelated to the main topic of this thread. Why would you even watch a YouTube video with ads? There are ad blockers, sponsor segment blockers, etc. If you use them, it will block almost every kind of YouTube ad.

all the ad blockers I used to use stop working, and it became an annoying game of cat and mouse that I didn't have time for. Luckily, most of the time I can "skip" the ad in like five seconds, and it gives me a moment to catch up on incoming Slack messages.

When has ublock origin browser extension ever stopped working? On a locked down mobile OS like iOS you can use the Brave browser. No cat and mouse game.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by nake89 »

massysett wrote: post #404
akdev1l wrote: post #354

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Not safe, before even knowing if a site has the content you want you can be redirected to malware through ad networks not even joking

On an up to date Safari on Mac, not a realistic concern, and if it were, I’d use security software, not an ad blocker.

Do you not might ad companies tracking everything you do?

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by OrangeMusic »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #340
viking123 wrote: post #290

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I switched to Codex 5.3 too, it's cheaper also anyway and as dumb as it sounds, Scam Altman is actually the less annoying CEO compared to Amodei which is kind of an achievement. Amodei really looking more and more like some huckster giving these idiotic predictions to the press.

Scam Altman is Epstein tier: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6lq6x2gd9o https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/08/technology/sam-altman-sis...

So he's been accused of various crimes and has not been not found guilty?

Not like Epstein at all then.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by Paodim »

bcherny wrote: post #386

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. I wanted to take a sec to explain the context for this change. One of the hard things about building a product on an LLM is that the model frequently changes underneath you. Since we introduced Claude Code almost a year ago, Claude has gotten more intelligent, it runs for longer periods of time, and it is able to more agentically use more tools. This is one of the magical th…

I am not a programmer and detest the terminal environment, while I design complexity, i need simple interfaces, claude is now guiding all dev based on my initial design spec, makes beatuful notebooks that can be uploaded directly to colab or github, no UX at all, no usability issues, this is the lastet baby we made yesterday starborn.github.io/copp-notebook thank you Claude engineering team for something that is flying very high and takes me with it, starborn.github.io/copp-notebook
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