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Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Xylazine and fentanyl are already legally distributed in the US. I believe Xylazine is still unscheduled. https://www.dechra-us.com/our-products/us/equine/horse/presc...

Those are the adulterants, not the drugs being adulterated such as heroin, meth, and MDMA. For the most part, no customer wants fentanyl. The dealers like it because it's a cheap booster for cutting the drugs that their customers actually do want to buy. It just has this unfortunate side effect of making small overdoses lethal. That's why "ending the fentanyl crisis" is a curious goal. We had a perfectly good War on…

Fentanyl is the drug for effect, but it's being sold as a cheap alternative to heroin, or as counterfeit heroin. Unfortunately for users, the effect is short-lasting and it is about 30x as potent, so it is difficult to for them to dose properly. The traffickers like it because many more doses fit into a small space.

I'm not sure I believe that making heroin legal and available for "recreational" use would solve the problem. People who propose it usually say that it's working in another country (such as Portugal), but then you look at that country and it's not really legal or available, it's just that they do not jail people for personal use anymore. I can agree with that, but it doesn't solve the trafficking problem. The only way to get rid of trafficking is to either allow people to easily buy it legally without onerous taxation, or to reduce demand to zero. If you do the former, you will still be stuck with lots of addicts, the associated crime and suffering, and probably many overdoses. Most likely, the number of addicts will increase, as they did with OxyContin, Actiq, etc. Worth mentioning that Actiq is fentanyl and it was in demand.

Reducing demand is a multifaceted problem with complicated solutions, many of which are politically unpopular.

Interestingly, some drugs can simply be taken off the market and the demand plummets. Quaalude is one example. Nobody stepped in to make an illicit version and the users probably just stopped using or switched to benzodiazepines and then hopefully stopped those. Unfortunately, it seems like we have a persistent demand for opioids.

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“Threat” might be an exaggeration. https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-shot-down-party-balloon...

YHGTBFKM. Unbelievable. Next I'll read they shot down "balloon boy".

If he’s here illegally they might

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Why are you being so rude, dude? Your right anything can happen but any large attack on US grounds or equally blowing up a plane on either side of the border is going to bring the full weight of the US on the cartels. It makes little sense. Cartels have for decades ingrained that into their organizations no matter how violent that may be.

Dismissing their violence is rude. They are capable and willing to do whatever. As evidenced here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre It's a much bigger problem that you all realize. Right now they have authorized attacks on border patrol agents... I'm not saying that the US wouldn't retaliate, I'm saying our enemies are getting bolder under this administration's pressure. Turns out the closure w…

When did I dismiss the violence? You’re flapping with hyperbole.

When the cartels make their first major attack we can circle back on this until then I don’t think there is much to mention. Cartels are powerful but still not as powerful as a first world military. Air assets work wonders against ground targets. Isolated violence or the memo (has not happened yet) that CJNG has authorized hits on border agents are only memos until it starts happening at frequency.

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Schiphol Airport has large No Balloons signs when you go down to the train station. Aluminum balloons can create havoc on the overhead power lines. It recently shut down the train service for the morning.

And they sell them right in the arrivals hall...

Maybe their born with it, maybe it’s…

How have we not blown ourselves up yet?

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How do we know it was a "single" drone, or that they knew for sure that it was?

Indeed. So with this lack of information: Why 10 days? Why not 3, or 12, or some other number instead? Or: Why must there be a number? Is the officious equivalent of "We've got some shit to deal with, so El Paso's airspace is closed for now" insufficient?

> Or: Why must there be a number?

NOTAMs require a range of timestamps for which they're in effect.

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The military panicked and shot down a balloon with a laser. https://newrepublic.com/post/206483/el-paso-airport-closed-m...

Thats little nerve racking. What happens if a commercial airplane gets confused with a bunch of balloons.

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Doesn't really pass the sniff test. Why would you need a 10 day closure to deal with a drone incursion? I'm guessing DoD and the FAA were squabbling over a test the military wanted to run, and it didn't go up the chain fast enough to get resolved before testing was scheduled to begin. Edit: Here's the actual notice from the FAA[1]. Note that it was issued at 0332 UTC, but the restrictions weren't scheduled to go into…

Recent updates say this was a unilateral call by FAA because DOD was refusing to coordinate with them for creating safety corridors for DOD drones and/or HEW usage. Issues came to a head after DOD shot down a highly threatening mylar party balloon, which FAA evidently considered to be a somewhat reckless use of military weaponry in a US city's airspace.

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And they sell them right in the arrivals hall...

Maybe their born with it, maybe it’s… How have we not blown ourselves up yet?

> How have we not blown ourselves up yet?

It's not that we haven't, it's just that we can only observe from those few realities where we didn't.

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As someone else mentioned, there’s some speculation in aviation subreddits that the bounds of the altitude restriction map to the MANPAD capabilities that some cartels are purported to have. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1r1s4zt/comment/o... My read is that the admin is planning forceful strikes on the cartels within Mexico and is worried about their ability to retaliate by taking down US aircraft across…

Today I learned: Man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS) are shoulder-fired, surface-to-air missiles designed for use by individuals or small teams to engage low-flying aircraft, helicopters, and UAVs.

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Isn't the whole idea of prediction markets to let insiders bet on things so that you'll get insider info leaked?

Maybe this is fine until it incentivizes easily-achieved but adverse actions that would greatly harm the public. For a silly example, I would imagine the streaker from this year’s Super Bowl is either (a) a complete idiot, or (b) put a significant amount of money on a “prediction market” of there being a streaker at the Super Bowl - more than enough to cover his ticket, legal, and medical costs.

That has already happened before: https://frontofficesports.com/offshore-sportsbook-voids-bets...
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