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Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Post by Hikikomori »

HillRat wrote: post #448
noelsusman wrote: post #381

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Doesn't really pass the sniff test. Why would you need a 10 day closure to deal with a drone incursion? I'm guessing DoD and the FAA were squabbling over a test the military wanted to run, and it didn't go up the chain fast enough to get resolved before testing was scheduled to begin. Edit: Here's the actual notice from the FAA[1]. Note that it was issued at 0332 UTC, but the restrictions weren't scheduled to go into…

Recent updates say this was a unilateral call by FAA because DOD was refusing to coordinate with them for creating safety corridors for DOD drones and/or HEW usage. Issues came to a head after DOD shot down a highly threatening mylar party balloon, which FAA evidently considered to be a somewhat reckless use of military weaponry in a US city's airspace.

Balloon looked brown?

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Post by mikkupikku »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #446
mikkupikku wrote: post #423

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Singapore kills drug dealers. That works much better.

Idk, if the number of people executed increases over time, maybe it doesn't. https://www.afr.com/world/asia/singapore-executions-touch-22... This article cites Singapore saying the existing laws mostly get low-level users and not kingpins because kingpins operate outside of the country. https://www.vice.com/en/article/singapore-drug-executions/ Decriminalization of drug use doesn't have to mean decriminalization of a…

Decriminalization without legalization is something I can't support. If it's not illegal for me to have and use a drug, them why should I be forced to buy it from criminals? Either legalize it, or go whole hog on criminalizing it. Execute the dealers and put users into mandatory rehab, or let people buy it in shops. Any of these half measures are intolerable, they exist to make sure the situation is in a constant state of tension, to nobody's benefit but the governments.

Ideally we would pick one or the other on a drug by drug basis. Executing people for selling weed isn't something I actually want, but neither do I want them simply imprisoned or fined either. But with shit like fent? Trying to find a single policy to fit both drugs is inane.

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Post by input_sh »

spaceywilly wrote: post #417
input_sh wrote: post #398

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They gave you a plausible-enough reason and you took their word for it. That's completely fine, you are well within your rights to decide for yourself whether you believe them or not. I don't, and since neither of us can know for sure given the info we've been given, it's useless for us to argue about our opinions.

I am curious, what explanation would justify a full closure of the airspace over a major us city for 10 days, in your opinion? That is the real screwup here. Whatever justification they are giving is entirely beside the point. Closing the airspace, even to emergency medevac flights, is negligence.

Miss me with your jUsT cUrIoUs, I have no need to make up hypothetical scenarios under which this would be justifiable. The burden of proof is not on me.

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Post by outside1234 »

sva_ wrote: post #200

> Airline sources told Reuters the grounding of flights was believed to be tied to the Pentagon's use of counterdrone technology to address Mexican drug cartels' use of drones of the U.S.-Mexico border. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-halts-all-flights-texass...

The only confirmed thing they have shot down was a child's birthday balloon

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Post by ribosometronome »

vkou wrote: post #441
djcapelis wrote: post #383

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> In what world is public opinion not universally against the cartels? It's hard to take you seriously after that. I think you’re getting tripped up by some specific wording and managing to miss the point the poster was making. The point should be taken seriously even if imprecisely articulated. While most folks are against the cartels, there’s a much wider range of belief on how much they warrant government or milit…

The best part about bombing the boats is that the second strikes on them were war crimes, while the few survivors that were picked up... All ended up repatriated. If they were all drug runners, why weren't they put on trial? Why was so much effort made to sink all the evidence? Why did an admiral resign, when told to do this? Everybody involved, starting from the people pulling the trigger , to the people giving the…

>But these people all act like there is no such thing as consequences.

Are there?

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

nemomarx wrote: post #400
morpheuskafka wrote: post #364

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> one party was busy making “bets” on Kalshi This would arguably be much more severe -- and quite likely already happening -- than the whole "congress trading stocks" thing because most of those (besides the sports ones) tie very directly to government actions in a way that the economy or a large company in generally doesn't as predictably.

Isn't the whole idea of prediction markets to let insiders bet on things so that you'll get insider info leaked?

Maybe this is fine until it incentivizes easily-achieved but adverse actions that would greatly harm the public.

For a silly example, I would imagine the streaker from this year’s Super Bowl is either (a) a complete idiot, or (b) put a significant amount of money on a “prediction market” of there being a streaker at the Super Bowl - more than enough to cover his ticket, legal, and medical costs.

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