“Ireland offers long-term grants for artists” is how this would have been written 50 years ago.
The idea is not new, only the rhetoric.
Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists
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#122This is admittedly a tangent, but I love that British (and apparently Irish) government programs are commonly called "schemes". To American ears, it always sounds like some grand confidence trick is being pulled.
As an Irish person, in normal speech the word "scheme" has exactly the same shady connotations as it does for Americans. Calling someone a "schemer" is a common insult. I've always assumed the government started using the word in a rare moment of honesty and it stuck.
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#123Ok, let me guess, without looking at the article .... is it a "pilot" that's rolled out to a small number of people, for a limited period of time, and its success is judged by surveying those people on whether they were happy to get free money? I bet it was.
> It also recouped more than the trial's net cost of 72 million euros ($86 million) through [...] and reduced reliance on other social welfare payments,
Which sounds quite a bit like "we spent more on one type of welfare so we ended up spending less on a different type of welfare." Which, okay, good, but I don't think you can say you "recouped" anything.
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#124Ok, let me guess, without looking at the article .... is it a "pilot" that's rolled out to a small number of people, for a limited period of time, and its success is judged by surveying those people on whether they were happy to get free money? I bet it was.
> It also recouped more than the trial's net cost of 72 million euros ($86 million) through [...] and reduced reliance on other social welfare payments, Which sounds quite a bit like "we spent more on one type of welfare so we ended up spending less on a different type of welfare." Which, okay, good, but I don't think you can say you "recouped" anything.
If you want to criticize the study, it would be best to actually read the method rather than make assumptions.
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#125That seems like... insane discrimination ?
It... isn't?
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#126> Ireland began the three-year trial in 2022 Did anyone take a note of what kind of output the artists produced? Was any of it any good?
Is art subjective?
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m all for encouraging people to create art. But I think people who benefit from this won’t be artists. But people who are good at making money off artsy projects. I’d see much more value in investing in supply and demand. First, provide free studios with arts supplies, music instruments and so on. Next, force government agencies to hire local artists. Make municipalities have live music for local events and hire lo…
> ...I think people who benefit... 325 Euros/week sounds like basic rent & food & transportation. Not artsy projects with enough spare Euros for someone to skim serious money off from. Providing "free" studios, supplies, instruments, etc. sounds like a scheme to give politicians more photo ops and bureaucrats more jobs. Why can't the artists just source exactly what they think they need from existing supply chains?
It's about 60% of the Irish minimum wage. So more of a nice gesture than a generous handout or a true attempt at UBI.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m looking for you to back up your perspective with context in this thread that gave you that perspective.
You must have missed it but I already did that; it's in my initial comment.
You're right, I completely forgot about what you put in that first comment because it seemed like extremely wishful thinking, bordering on gaslighting. Then, given all the comments since then that have been explicitly about taxation, I assumed that you had reassessed and had something new to contribute given how thoroughly those new comments debunked those original statements. Oh well.
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#129>The randomly selected applicants Why would you want to randomly select here?
Mostly because the kind of people who run and advocate for programs like this are actively hostile to the idea of merit. Prioritizing talented people would be antithetical to them.
I bet you also think government shouldn't be picking winners and losers.
Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists
#130This is admittedly a tangent, but I love that British (and apparently Irish) government programs are commonly called "schemes". To American ears, it always sounds like some grand confidence trick is being pulled.
As an Irish person, in normal speech the word "scheme" has exactly the same shady connotations as it does for Americans. Calling someone a "schemer" is a common insult. I've always assumed the government started using the word in a rare moment of honesty and it stuck.
Or perchance it is the other way around. The word started as official term and over time got shady connotation because can't trust Big Government.