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Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by its_magic »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #92
baseballdork wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how you reconcile this take with "People don't like being robbed, PERIOD, especially not to pay for a bunch of weed smokers to sit at home relaxing on their dime. There will be blood." This person doesn't like taxation. Tough.

Ah, missed that. For what it's worth, I can kinda read that sentence both ways but it does seem easier to read as being anti-tax. Actually, taking the two quotes juxtaposed like this, their take reads quite a lot like "think of the third-world laborers" in defense of billionaires. Edit: Oh, and their reply.

It's a "he", not a "they", FYI. In case you were considering actually addressing its thoughts, rather than attacking some ridiculous strawman.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

#102

Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

baseballdork wrote: post #97
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, missed that. For what it's worth, I can kinda read that sentence both ways but it does seem easier to read as being anti-tax. Actually, taking the two quotes juxtaposed like this, their take reads quite a lot like "think of the third-world laborers" in defense of billionaires. Edit: Oh, and their reply.

I still cannot see how you get that impression.

I don't see much of a point in replying with this comment. It reads like your point is "I don't understand your perspective so it must be wrong", which is folly.

If you're looking for a suggestion of how to gain such an understanding, I've certainly got one of those: put more effort into arguing in favor of perspectives you disagree with. Not only will it help you to understand the disagreeable point of view, it will additionally help you to strengthen your beliefs.

I appreciate the added context nonetheless.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

#103

Post by nradov »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #93
nradov wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How soon is "soon"? I don't know about Ireland but the US unemployment rate remains near record lows. We still don't have robots that can snake out a plugged toilet.

I'm not sure the exact trajectory but it's going pretty quickly now. "Ray Dalio says America is developing a ‘dependency’ on the top 1% of workers, while the bottom 60% are struggling and unproductive" https://fortune.com/2025/10/27/ray-dalio-america-dependeny-t ... "Millions of Americans Are Becoming Economically Invisible " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45374779

Ray Dalio says a lot of things, only about half are correct. Where is the data? Employers are quick to fire unproductive workers and yet the unemployment rate remains low.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

#104

Post by codingdave »

TitaRusell wrote: post #15

They had something like this in the Netherlands during the 80s. Basically everyone was out of a job back then so it didn't really matter. Worst recession since 1929. Artists had to make a buch of art which was then given to the government. The state ended up with entire warehouses filled with crap.

There was also the WPA program in the USA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

The work also included infrastructure projects, and often would create public art to decorate the infrastructure. That is why you'll see far more decorative work when looking at bridges from that era, for example.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

#106

Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

its_magic wrote: post #101
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, missed that. For what it's worth, I can kinda read that sentence both ways but it does seem easier to read as being anti-tax. Actually, taking the two quotes juxtaposed like this, their take reads quite a lot like "think of the third-world laborers" in defense of billionaires. Edit: Oh, and their reply.

It's a "he", not a "they", FYI. In case you were considering actually addressing its thoughts, rather than attacking some ridiculous strawman.

Do you think I did not address your thoughts in my initial reply? Do you think you are addressing others' thoughts and not attacking ridiculous men made of straw? You do not seem to be making a good case for yourself.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by baseballdork »

its_magic wrote: post #100
baseballdork wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm confused why I ought to care what Christ or Spooner think about taxation?

In time you will learn the importance of respecting the lives of others.

I’m not sure why you believe I don’t

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by rorylawless »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #105

This is admittedly a tangent, but I love that British (and apparently Irish) government programs are commonly called "schemes". To American ears, it always sounds like some grand confidence trick is being pulled.

Growing up in the UK, we would be sent to a “play scheme” during the school holidays. Weird phrase.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by baseballdork »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #102
baseballdork wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still cannot see how you get that impression.

I don't see much of a point in replying with this comment. It reads like your point is "I don't understand your perspective so it must be wrong", which is folly. If you're looking for a suggestion of how to gain such an understanding, I've certainly got one of those: put more effort into arguing in favor of perspectives you disagree with. Not only will it help you to understand the disagreeable point of view, it will…

I’m looking for you to back up your perspective with context in this thread that gave you that perspective.
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