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Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by AngryData »

danudey wrote: post #82
richardlblair wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet everyone drives a truck and are incapable of seeing a child infront of their vehicle.

When I'm 5'11" and I often see trucks and SUVs whose hoods come nearly to my shoulder, it just boggles my mind. Of all the regulations around vehicles, I don't understand why "being able to see the road five feet in front of the vehicle" isn't one of them.

Because marketting doesn't really care about vehicle safety, they care about how cool and powerful it looks so they can sell it for a higher price.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by jajuuka »

homarp wrote: post #8
engineer_22 wrote: post #2

How is this related to Toyota? Toyota the car manufacturer?

it'actually Toyota Connected North America, Toyota Motor Corporation's subsidiary founded in collaboration with Microsoft for working on in-vehicle software, AI, and related tech initiatives.

So basically the same sort of thing Samsung does with its corporate subsidiary. At least that's the first one I think of. But I know there others who leverage the brand all the way down the ladder.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by bsder »

germandiago wrote: post #20
aabajian wrote: post #12

The combination of Flutter + Claude Code makes cross-platform app development really, really fast. I've been impressed with how well Clause handles prompts like, "This list should expand on the web, but not on iOS." I then ask it (Claude) to run both a web instance and an iOS simulator instance. Can usability test in-tandem. I recently (as in, last night) added WebSockets to my backend, push notifications to my front…

How are you going to maintain all that when you find bugs if it generates a ton of code you did not get through to understand it?

The trick is to separate your codebase into "code I care about that I give the AI a fixed API and rarely let the AI touch" and "throwaway code I don't give one iota of damn about and I let the AI regenerate--sometimes completely from scratch".

For me, GUI and Web code falls into "throwaway". I'm trying to do something else and the GUI code development is mostly in my way. GUI (especially phone) and Web programming knowledge has a half-life measured in months and, since I don't track them, my knowledge is always out-of-date. Any GUI framework is likely to have a paroxysm and completely rewrite itself in between points when I look at it, and an LLM will almost always beat me at that conversion. Generating my GUI by creating an English description and letting an AI convert that to "GUI Flavour of the Day(tm)" is my least friction path.

This should be completely unsurprising to everybody. GUI programming is such a pain in the ass that we have collectively adopted things like Electron and TUIs. The fact that most programmers hate GUI programming and will embrace anything to avoid that unwelcome task is pretty obvious application of AI.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by ashleyn »

wasmainiac wrote: post #13
oritron wrote: post #9

It doesn't say Toyota anywhere on the page and they don't have a link to a repo or anything like that, so I was a little confused. But it is from /that/ Toyota (well, a subsidiary that is making 3d software for their displays) and there was a talk at FOSDEM about it: https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7ZJJWW-fluorite-game-...

> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it

I feel like "game engine" is a misnomer for what we're actually dealing with here. It's more like an "ECS-based scene rendering engine, which can be used for games or for advanced UI". But that doesn't have a succinct label yet.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by ncallaway »

alt227 wrote: post #80
kimbernator wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you that the issue is far worse with larger vehicles, I do find that backing up in my wife's 2011 camry (without a backup camera) feels significantly less safe than I feel backing up my 2017 accord with a backup camera. I'm all for fixing the structural issue you are referring to, but I think the requirement for those cameras is sane in an age where the added cost to the manufacturer is miniscule.

Its not just the added cost, its the supply chain. Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. There was the chip shortage during covid which held car production back becasue the auto makers couldnt source their chips fast enough. I am waiting to see if the current supply issue for ram chips modules will produce a similar effect.

> Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before.

Was there a single mass market consumer car sold in the United States in this millennium that didn’t already have processors and RAM in them?

I would be absolutely shocked if there was a single car for which the relatively recent backup camera requirement required them to introduce processors and RAM for the first time.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by Zigurd »

stetrain wrote: post #66
badc0ffee wrote: post #49

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It's not just ginormous SUVs with this problem, though, right? You're not going to see a 18 month old out the back window of your compact hatchback if they're too close to your car. Especially now that windows seem to be tinier than they used to.

Right, backup cameras make sense even for sedans and other small cars. The high-hood trucks and SUVs in the US are the reason we'll probably get mandatory front cameras eventually as well.

It's a little ironic that the truck that diverged from the trend for high butch looking hood lines for no real reason is... Cybertruck. We kill pedestrians in the name of macho.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ncallaway wrote: post #105
alt227 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not just the added cost, its the supply chain. Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. There was the chip shortage during covid which held car production back becasue the auto makers couldnt source their chips fast enough. I am waiting to see if the current supply issue for ram chips modules will produce a similar effect.

> Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. Was there a single mass market consumer car sold in the United States in this millennium that didn’t already have processors and RAM in them? I would be absolutely shocked if there was a single car for which the relatively recent backup camera requirement required them to introduce processors and RAM…

I’m pretty sure that you can buy aftermarket backup cameras. The car can be a dumb bunny, and still have a good camera.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by AngryData »

alt227 wrote: post #83
Fwirt wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backup cameras do contribute significantly to safety, to the point that I installed one in my 2002 vehicle with a cheap aftermarket head unit. The important thing to realize is that all the modern conveniences can be decoupled from the drivetrain. My $50 Android head unit does basically all the things that the OEM head unit on our 2018 vehicle does. It even does many things better. The problem with modern cars is tha…

> buy one of those tablets that you stick on your dashboard and plug into the aux port Every single car I have been in in the last 5 years or so has Bluetooth. No need for aux ports in this day and age, especially when devices dont have headphone jacks anymore. Are you stuck in the 2000's?

I still use headphone jacks on my phone, I wouldn't buy one without it. It is just more garbage to manage and more stuff to fix when it doesn't work. It takes half a second to plug in a cable and I don't gotta run around broadcasting a bluetooth signal which drains battery when not in use and takes as long to disable as pulling out a plug. Plus it is often lower quality than the cord.

Bluetoothing to your car is to me the same energy as using "wireless" charging stands for your phone. You are just replacing a physical tether with a less efficient digital tether of higher complexity for no actual gains.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by dylan604 »

AngryData wrote: post #99
alt227 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not just the added cost, its the supply chain. Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. There was the chip shortage during covid which held car production back becasue the auto makers couldnt source their chips fast enough. I am waiting to see if the current supply issue for ram chips modules will produce a similar effect.

I mean you can buy add-on 3rd party backup cameras for like $20. They don't have any cost excuses for including backup cameras, camera sensors and display screens are literally cheaper than dirt.

That's great for cars built before the regulation were put into place. Without that regulation, you'd then be dependent on the end user purchasing an after market part and installing it. The vast majority of them won't. So if it is so important to have, you make it part of the car. They did not leave seat belts up to the owners to install after market versions.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by vineyardmike »

danudey wrote: post #82
richardlblair wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet everyone drives a truck and are incapable of seeing a child infront of their vehicle.

When I'm 5'11" and I often see trucks and SUVs whose hoods come nearly to my shoulder, it just boggles my mind. Of all the regulations around vehicles, I don't understand why "being able to see the road five feet in front of the vehicle" isn't one of them.

Because trucks are extremely popular, and frankly there is a cultural identity associated with them. Most people don't haul things with their truck, and if they do, it's very infrequently. BUT in American fashion, the optionality to do this partially drives purchasing decisions.
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