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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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I just assume that they realized that they can split the offering, and to charge for the top tier more. (Yes, even more.) If Claude Code can replace an engineer, it should cost just a bit less than an engineer, not half as much.

I don't know about you, but I benefit so much from using Claude at work that I would gladly pay $80,000-$120,000 per year to keep using it.

Oh come on. That pays for more than 10 fte in some countries

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Working at Microsoft, I've just now hooked up to Claude Code (my department was not permitted to use it previously), through something called "Agent Maestro", a vscode extension which I guess pipes claude code API requets to our internally hosted Claude models, including Opus 4.6. I do wonder if there is going to be much of a difference between using Claude Code vs. Copilot CLI when using the same models.

I honestly don’t think the models are as important as people tend to believe. More important is how the models are given tools - find, grep, git, test runners, …

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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I'm not sure this is a regression, at least how I use it - you can hit control + o to expand, and usually the commands it runs show the file path(s) it's using, and I'm really paranoid with it, and I didn't even notice this change.

i've never had to use control + o before but with the latest changes, i give Opus a simple task that should take a few seconds and it's like "used 15k tokens" and "thinking" for three minutes with absolutely zero indication or visibility as to what it's actually doing and i have to ESC ESC it to stop and ask what the FUCK are you actually doing claude?

Yeah after my switch to Opus 4.6 I noticed a lot of this. I've been wary that eventually models are going to optimize for token usage increases, since that's how the company makes money. I told it to read the files in my directory (4 files, longest was like 380 lines) and caught it using 14 tool uses- including head -n 20 and tail -n 20 on a file. Definitely a what are you doing moment.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just assume that they realized that they can split the offering, and to charge for the top tier more. (Yes, even more.) If Claude Code can replace an engineer, it should cost just a bit less than an engineer, not half as much.

I don't know about you, but I benefit so much from using Claude at work that I would gladly pay $80,000-$120,000 per year to keep using it.

that means customers will pay minimum 2x that much I think

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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I think Dario & crew are getting high on their own supply and really believe the "software developers out of work by end of 2026" pronouncements. Meanwhile all evidence is that the true value of these tools is in their ability to augment & super-charge competent software engineers, not replace them. Meanwhile the quality of Claude Code the tool itself is a bit of a damning indictment of their philosophy. Give me a te…

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don’t worry bro in 6 months it will replace all devs

just 6 months more and like $200B in capex and we’ll be there, trust the process

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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This is the end game I've been Casandra'ing since the beginning.

You all are refining these models through their use, and the model owners will be the only ones with access to true models while you will be fed whatever degraded slop they give you.

You all are helping concentrate even more power in these sociopaths.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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> That’s it. “Read 3 files.” Which files? Doesn’t matter. “Searched for 1 pattern.” What pattern? Who cares.

Product manager here. Cynically, this is classic product management: simplify and remove useful information under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism if you're more overt about your influences.

It's something that as an industry we should be over by now.

It requires deep understanding of customer usage in order not to make this mistake. It is _really easy_ to think you are making improvements by hiding information if you do not understand why that information is perceived as valuable. Many people have been taught that streamlining and removal is positive. It's even easier if you have non-expert users getting attention. All of us here at HN will have seen UIs where this has occurred.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

Anecdotally, all the non-technical people I know are adapting fine to the console. You don’t need to know how bash commands work to use it as you are just approving commands, not writing them.

Approving commands you don't understand doesn't seem ideal

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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If you're not vibecoding your own UX to render CC's output the way you like it, you're getting replaced by AI.

If you're not replacing the replacers, you're the replaced.

This is why I joined The Watchmen.
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