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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by koakuma-chan »

WXLCKNO wrote: post #61
koakuma-chan wrote: post #15

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I just tested, it shows you which files it read, same as first example he gave "Where you used to see."

Yeah just that it's not real time and you have to toggle to see it. It lags a bunch also in longer threads. Definitely a downgrade.

I mean yes, they claim that it's "Claude Code Native" or something but it does feel laggy and takes multiple seconds to start. What do they even mean native, didn't they acquire Bun? It's not native. They need to rewrite it in Rust, I'm serious.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

jascha_eng wrote: post #44

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

I think Dario & crew are getting high on their own supply and really believe the "software developers out of work by end of 2026" pronouncements.

Meanwhile all evidence is that the true value of these tools is in their ability to augment & super-charge competent software engineers, not replace them.

Meanwhile the quality of Claude Code the tool itself is a bit of a damning indictment of their philosophy.

Give me a team of experienced sharp diligent engineers with these coding tools and we can make absolutely amazing things. But newbie product manager with no software engineering fundamentals issuing prompts will make a mess.

I can see it even in my own work -- when I venture into doing frontend eng using these tools the results look good but often have reliability issues. Because my background/specialization is in systems, embedded & backend work -- I'm not good at reviewing the React etc code it makes.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by co_king_3 »

snek_case wrote: post #57
co_king_3 wrote: post #28

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LLMs are super efficient at generating boilerplate for lots of APIs, which is a time consuming and tedious part of programming.

> LLMs are super efficient at generating boilerplate for lots of APIs

Yes they are. This is true.

> which is a time consuming and tedious part of programming.

In my experience, this is a tedious part of programming which I do not spend very much time on.

In my experience LLM generated API boilerplate is acceptable, yet still sloppier than anything I would write by hand.

In my experience LLMs are quite bad at generating essentially every other type of code, especially if you are not generating JS/TS or HTML/CSS.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by ukuina »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #78

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

Patching's not long for this world; Claude Code has moved to binary releases. Soon, the NPM release will just be a thin wrapper around the binary.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by co_king_3 »

ako wrote: post #66
co_king_3 wrote: post #28

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I don’t understand how you can conclude that LLMs are a dead end: I’ve already seen so much useful software generated by LLMs, there’s no denying that they are a useful tool. They may not replace seniors developers, and they have their limitations, but it’s quite amazing what they already do achieve.

Have you seen all the dogshit software generated by LLMs?

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by theappsecguy »

minimaxir wrote: post #52
ramon156 wrote: post #6

All my information about this is being based on feels, because debugging isn't really feasible. Verbose mode is a mess, and there's no alternative. It still does what I need so I'm okay with it, but I'm also on the $20 plan so it's not that big of a worry for me. I did sense that the big wave of companies is hitting Anthropic's wallet. If you hadn't realized, a LOT of companies switched to Claude. No idea why, and th…

> If you hadn't realized, a LOT of companies switched to Claude. No idea why, and this is coming from someone who loves Claude Code. It is entirely due to Opus 4.5 being an inflection point codingwise over previous LLMs. Most of the buzz there has been organic word of mouth due to how strong it is. Opus 4.5 is expensive to put it mildly, which makes Claude Code more compelling. But even now, token providers like Open…

Everyone and I mean everyone keeps parroting this "inflection point" marketing hype, which is so damn tiring.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by nine_k »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #78

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

I just assume that they realized that they can split the offering, and to charge for the top tier more. (Yes, even more.)

If Claude Code can replace an engineer, it should cost just a bit less than an engineer, not half as much.

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