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Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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The closure was for 10 days full stop. I can't think of a reason to do that in response to an active threat.

This is OpSec 101. Making the public closure too "tight" around the operational timeline could (negligently) leak operational details. You can always cancel a closure later.

Is saying "indefinitely" or "until further notice" any worse than "10 days?" The specificity of the timeline was what caught my eye.

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I live in Seattle, decriminalizing drugs didn't turn out that way here.

"controlled" is key. Seattle decriminalized drug use. That's a tiny part of a larger solution rooted in harm reduction.

Singapore kills drug dealers. That works much better.

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A cartel using a SAM against a US civilian aircraft would massively solidify public opinion against them just like 9/11 or the Iran hostage crisis. The US has been trying to extent the "foreign terrorist" label and casus belli to drug activities forever to justify military operations (ex. the "arrest" of Maduro was for drugs, not oil/Cuba/political stuff). That would be a massive self-own on the cartels part. (And if…

> A cartel using a SAM against a US civilian aircraft would massively solidify public opinion against them In what world is public opinion not universally against the cartels? It's hard to take you seriously after that.

There were plenty of people that were not against Pablo Escobar as he spent a lot of money back in his home town. Once the violence escalated, like when they took down a civilian flight, even that support waned. So I can see where GP is saying similar that by the time cartels get to the point of shooting down civilian aircraft even those that did support them would consider that the final straw.

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Or "fount" from older, non-American English.

Fount is definitely more correct. If we're talking a baptismal font, then it's font, but if were talking a fount of knowledge, the correct term is fount with font sometimes being used but derived from fount. Etymology 1, meaning 3: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fount Etymology 3: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/font

Thank you, I couldn’t remember which but I figured I’d hit Muphry’s Law either way.

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I personally don't think that's the whole story. They're likely going to act against the cartels to take out cross-border drone capabilities and are preparing for S-A retaliation as well.

What does that even mean? Cartels can buy those DJI drones from China by the container load. Russia and Ukraine can't stop drones. Does the US have a secret weapon?

> Does the US have a secret weapon?

It sounds like that's what was being tested requiring the NOTAM. We just don't know if it did or didn't work. It could have failed so badly they decided to just shut it down, or it could have worked so successfully they decided no more testing was needed.

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> Airline sources told Reuters the grounding of flights was believed to be tied to the Pentagon's use of counterdrone technology to address Mexican drug cartels' use of drones of the U.S.-Mexico border. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-halts-all-flights-texass...

Well this could get ugly. https://x.com/Acyn/status/2021613820553335090

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Closing a small patch of airspace while military activity is occurring is not authoritarianism. Get a grip you lunatic

I don't think anyone said closing this airspace was an authoritarian act... double check the posts above.

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> Airline sources told Reuters the grounding of flights was believed to be tied to the Pentagon's use of counterdrone technology to address Mexican drug cartels' use of drones of the U.S.-Mexico border. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-halts-all-flights-texass...

This admin is focused on the message of stopping the inflow of drugs to the US. There are probably some true believers, and there are probably some reactionary accelerationists. There’s also significant evidence of amateurism, misinformation, and incompetence. All of that coming together, I see this action coming out of meeting where - one party was convinced that this would solve the fentanyl epidemic - one party wa…

--one party was hoping we'd stop talking about Epstein

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> But hey you can gulp 60 oz of super strong energy drinks which equate to about 5-6 fat lines Are you joking? Look, I’m no stranger to drugs, but coke is not a “60oz energy drink” and its potential for generally destroying someone’s life is, while not at the same level, definitely in the same ballpark as crack, heroin, and meth.

60 oz energy drink = 5-6 fat lines perhaps more The most dense energy drinks have 350-400 of caffeine in a can these days and on top of that there's the taurine etc. 60 oz is 4 cans, do your math. 4 * 400 = 1600mg of caffeine alone > > potential for generally destroying someone’s life is, while not at the same level, definitely in the same ballpark as crack, heroin, and meth. That's more of the result of the enviornm…

I don't say this lightly, as someone who has spent decades around drugs, and as a result, knows more than a few recovering addicts: this comes across as wild rationalization by an addict.

And while 1600mg of caffeine is 4x the FDA's recommended daily intake and really isn't a good idea, someone on that much caffeine is neither going to feel nor behave in any way similar to someone on coke.

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