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Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#101
Why is everyone using Vercel and the likes anyway?

Setting up a VPS with Node takes ten minutes and is miles cheaper. And it's not like you never have to debug issues with serverless configurations, which can even occasionally be harder to debug because of their proprietary natures.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#103

What would this have costed had they used render or railway? Maybe, what, $200 a month? Vercel's pricing is so ridiculously convoluted that you can't even cleanly compare usage. With render/railway/(insert provider of choice) you can at least predict that you're your biggest cost is going to be egress. edit: I just saw that it gets 450m pageviews. I'm guessing on the upper end this costs ~$1k with railway + cloudflar…

Railway is getting so good I'm not sure what Vercel brings to the party anyway.

While I used to think Railway was an amazing service, I had a production workload get broken because they removed a feature without any depreciation period or warning. I now struggle to recommend it for anything more than a hobby project. Vercel has the benifit of being big enough they have to do things properly. For reference https://station.railway.com/questions/smtp-connection-failur...

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#104
post #69

The post said 450 million pageviews, likely since November. If we make very generous assumptions and assume that each pageview is a megabyte (very generous based on my own experience scanning billions of websites), then that's 450TB total in traffic. If you really did 450TB per month in traffic, you would need slightly more than one gigabit line (and hence VPS), but not more than two. With Hetzner the traffic would c…

well each view of an 'epstien file' is a pdf with images embeded so i think your 1mb might be not so generous.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it just serving static content and the content fitting in RAM? If so your laptop can serve it just fine even.

A laptop would have a hard time serve thousands of people hitting a single endpoint multiple times a day.

A 6 core server or laptop can easily serve 100K requests per second, so 259B requests per month. 576x more than their current load.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#107
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think a $30 hetzner host can sustain that level of traffic performantly? Don't get me wrong, I love hetzner, but I would be very surprised if the numbers work out there.

No . Hetzner would terminate your server as you are not a profitable customer.

We handle 200x their request load on two Hetzner servers.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#108
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a 2025 tech stack, yes. With a 2005 tech stack, no. Don't use any containers, no[/limited] server-side dynamic script languages, no microservices or anything like that. Considering the content is essentially static, this is actually viable. Search functions might be a bit problematic, but that's a solvable problem. Of course you pay with engineering skills and resources.

SRE here, Containers are not causing any performance problem.

Maybe the perception comes from all the Mac and Windows devs having to run a Linux VM to use containers.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Railway is getting so good I'm not sure what Vercel brings to the party anyway.

While I used to think Railway was an amazing service, I had a production workload get broken because they removed a feature without any depreciation period or warning. I now struggle to recommend it for anything more than a hobby project. Vercel has the benifit of being big enough they have to do things properly. For reference https://station.railway.com/questions/smtp-connection-failur...

SMTP is gated behind the $20/mo Pro plan to reduce spam on the internet.

It sounds like you were running a production workload on the Hobby plan

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