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The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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The $45 pays for extra checks and scrutiny.

I'm almost positive they get paid the same at the end of the day either way and the $45 just lines the pockets of someone on the top.

It's not that they'd pay individual employees more, it's that they'd hire more workers to account for the fact that their existing workers are tied up doing extra verification.

Though they might not do that either.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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You have the right to try and fly without an ID. The airlines also have the right to tell you to buzz off and get lost and the airport operator has the right to decide they don’t want you in the building and trespass you if you don’t scram.

The airlines are not in charge of airport security. TSA, a government agency, handles that.

Kinda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screening_Partnership_Program

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Yep. It's important to highlight this is not about flying without ID. It's flying without the new federal ID and their attempt to coerce people into getting the federal ID.

“New” Real ID is 21yrs old at this point.

As the other comments inform you, many states were not coerced into adopting it until very recently. In these ~dozen states the majority of people do not have the new federal ID. There are Enhanced Driver's Licenses as alternatives the to the invasive federal ID but most just have the normal state ID that work perfectly well; excepting these contrived situations the feds use to try to force people with.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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~~~While it's not a passport, I believe most states have free id cards that are "realid" compliant.~~~ Edit: I'm wrong.

> I believe most states have free id cards that are "realid" compliant. None in the mid-Atlantic or SE that I've seen. Some states offer free gov docs under limited programs, eg:unaccompanied homeless youth.

I stand corrected, at least in Pennsylvania (1). I misremembering the issues surrounding requiring Id to vote. The law that was struck down did provide a free id that would have been suitable for voting; however, that isn't required and no longer exists, and there was no mention I could find of if it would have been realid compliant.(2)

(1) https://www.pa.gov/agencies/dmv/resources/payments-and-fees

(2) Applewhite v. Commonwealth https://pubintlaw.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Voter-ID-Fi...

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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It may be many things, but I very much doubt the motivation is a money grab . A few people paying $45 isn't lining the pockets of some government official, or plugging a hole in any possible budget. Dealing with the presence of travelers who haven't updated their driver's licenses requires a bunch of extra staff to perform the time-consuming additional verifications. The basic idea is for those staff to be paid by th…

$45 x millions of people (some multiple times) = an incredibly consequential amount of money

It's not millions of people, most people get Real ID. In the context of airport security budgets, it's not that much. And it's used for hiring the additional staff required and putting together the identity verification systems they use.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

The $45 pays for extra checks and scrutiny.

What are these checks and scrutiny and how are they applied in the time available? Given the time available is not great ("I'm on the next flight") and the amount of money is modest if humans are involved I'm intrigued to know what could be done that $45 would cover.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm almost positive they get paid the same at the end of the day either way and the $45 just lines the pockets of someone on the top.

It's not that they'd pay individual employees more, it's that they'd hire more workers to account for the fact that their existing workers are tied up doing extra verification. Though they might not do that either.

Even that fails a sanity test. They're not doing anything more than they would have done 25 years ago when the whole damn thing started.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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It's an interesting argument. Is there a highly-credible, authoritative source? Maybe someone like the EFF or ACLU? There are lots of ideas online about the law, of varying credibility, and I'd hesitate to risk a lawsuit over Internet advice.

While I concur with your hesitation, my first reaction on hearing about the fee was "Didn't they say you couldn't fly without a realid? Why am I able to fly without one then?" The idea that they may not be able to bar you without one jives with how this is playing out. Another commenter in this post also mentioned flying without id, which I also thought wasn't possible.
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