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That’s fair, but at the same time, expecting any learning to occur in remote classes, when fair evaluation is impossible, may also be outdated.
Learning is just as easy remote and with AI, maybe easier. It's testing and evaluation of that learning that's difficult. Universities make money not by teaching, but by testing and certifying. That's why AI is so disruptive in that space.
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> " Knowledge retention skills? Knowledge correlations or knowledge expression skills? None of these going to be useful or required from humans. " I'm fascinated by these claims from some LLM advocates that people will no longer need to know things, think, or express themselves properly. What value then will such individuals bring to the table to justify their pay? Will they be like Sigourney Weaver's character in Ga…
> What value then will they bring to the table to justify their pay? They are skillful in shepherding a population of AI agents towards goals.
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The fraud is all around, also when honest writers get falsely accused of using AI when they didn't, which is the point. It's why everyone needs humanizers. The risk of not using them is too high for everyone. As such, the fraud I see above all is the one in your comment.
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It's a huge problem. I have several friends in university who have had assignments flagged as AI. They have had entire units failed and forced to retake semesters which is not cheap. Even if you fight it, the challenge goes into the next semester and pushes out your study timeline and associated costs. > put more emphasis on in-person tests and exams. Make it clear that homework assignments are for practice, learning…
Yeah bad choice of words on my part, I apologize. I can imagine that things are pretty chaotic right now and that there are quite a few problems like the one you describe. When I said I don't see a crisis here I meant that more in a more overarching sense and that I see this as solvable. > Works for high school, not so much for university degrees. I don't know about that. I can't speak for the US, but at the universi…
All good!
> I can't speak for the US
I just had to respond to this as the implication of being American touched a nerve, haha. Australian here.
This ship has sailed. It's how it was with the internet. I grew up in the 90s, and teacher didn't know how to deal with the fact we no longer had to go through multiple books in the library to get the information they needed. We barely needed to write it. Now nobody expects students to not use the internet. Same here: teachers must accept that AI can and will write papers and answer questions / do homework. How you t…
When I was in high school, we were not allowed to use calculator for most science classes ... And certainly not for math class. I'm ten years, will you want to hire a student who is coming out of college without considerable experience and practice with AI?
I loved computer art and did as many technical art classes at university as I could. At the beginning of the program I was the fastest in the class, because we were given reference art to work from to learn the tools. By the end of the class I couldn't finish assignments because I wasn't creative enough to work from scratch. Ultimately I realized art wasn't my calling, despite some initial success.
Other kids blew me away with the speed of their creations. And how they could detach emotionally from any one piece, to move on to the next.
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That’s fair, but at the same time, expecting any learning to occur in remote classes, when fair evaluation is impossible, may also be outdated.
Learning is just as easy remote and with AI, maybe easier. It's testing and evaluation of that learning that's difficult. Universities make money not by teaching, but by testing and certifying. That's why AI is so disruptive in that space.
Granted, I’m 62, so I’m from the old world. I attended college, and taught a couple of college classes, before the AI revolution. There was definitely a connection between learning and evaluation for most students. In fact most students preferred more evaluation, not less, such as graded quizzes and homeworks rather than just one great big exam at the end. Among other things, the deadlines and feedback helped them budget their efforts. Also, the exercise of getting something right and hitting a deadline is not an overt purpose of education, but has a certain pragmatic value.
Again, showing my age, in the pre-AI era, the technology of choice was cheating. But there were vanishingly few students who used cheating to circumvent the evaluations while actually learning anything from their courses.
If teaching and certifying could be separated, they would be. In fact, it has happened to some extent for computer programming, hence the “coding interview” and so forth. But computer programming is also an unusual occupation in that it’s easy to be self taught, and questionable whether it needs to be taught at the college level.
At some point, writing 2 sentences by hand will become more acceptable than this.
I don't see the whole AI topic as a large crisis, as others have mentioned: put more emphasis on in-person tests and exams. Make it clear that homework assignments are for practice, learning, and feedback. If a person thinks that copy/pasting helps them, give them the freedom to so, but if as a result they fail the exams and similar in-person evaluations, then so be it. Let them fail. I would like to hire students wh…
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There’s a lot of interacting parts as to why many places have arrived where we are where cheap ghost writers (AI or not) can so easily negatively impact education. But it pretty much all comes down to costs.
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Yes! This "problem" is really easy to fix with in person exams and no computers in class, ever.
Until they need to start learning how to use them to get a job in the modern world? There should be a class that teaches you how to use AI to get things done, especially judging on how many even on HN admit they aren’t good at it.
I don't see the whole AI topic as a large crisis, as others have mentioned: put more emphasis on in-person tests and exams. Make it clear that homework assignments are for practice, learning, and feedback. If a person thinks that copy/pasting helps them, give them the freedom to so, but if as a result they fail the exams and similar in-person evaluations, then so be it. Let them fail. I would like to hire students wh…