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To be honest, just sounds like a new class of crazies. They were always there. Tinfoil hats and stuff.
Everyone dismisses the lunatics until one day they run the asylum.
Why I don't like Deleueze and Guattari
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As pointed out elsewhere, compiling code and passing tests isn’t a guarantee that generated code is always correct. So even “non Chinese trained models” will get it wrong.
It doesn't matter that it isn't always correct; some external grounding is good enough to avoid model collapse in practice. Otherwise training coding agents with RL wouldn't work at all.
And how do you verify that external grounding?
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No there is a logical errror in there. You are implicitly asserting that the trained thing is an imitation, whereas it is only the output that is being imitated. A flip way of saying it is that we are evolving a process that exhibits the signs of what we call thinking. Why should we not say it is actually thinking? How certain are you that in your brain there isn’t a process very similar?
I never asserted it is an imitation. I am simply asking a question. If anything I am only asserting the possibility that it is an imitation. I am more saying that there is no method to tell the difference on which possibility is true. Is it an imitation or is it not? The argument is ultimately pointless because you cannot prove it either way. The only logical error is your assumptions and misinterpretation of what I…
I said "implicitly asserting."
But to carry your argument one step further, if there is no difference between imitation and the real thing, is there anything meaningful to be debated here? "Is it an imitation or is it not?" isn't even a valid question in that context. Imitation === The Real Thing.
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#654Is it real
I'm a bit skeptic if it's actuaslly real bots talking or if it's just some dudes making posts
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Physically speaking, time is just the order of events. The model absolutely has time in this sense. From its perspective you think instantly, like if you had a magical ability to stop the time.
Kinda but not really. The model thinks it's 2024 or 2025 or 2026, but really it has no concept of "now" and this no sense of past or present... Unless it's instructed to think it's a certain date and time. If every time you woke up completely devoid of memory of your past it would be hard to argue you have a good sense of time.
In the technical sense I mentioned (physical time as the order of changes) it absolutely does have the concept of now, past, and present, it's just different from yours (2024, 2026, ...), and in your time projection they only exist during inference. And the entire autoregressive process and any result storage serve as a memory that preserves the continuity of their time. LLMs are just not very good at ordering and many other things in general.
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#656Reading through the relatively unfiltered posts within is confirming some uncomfortable thoughts ive been having in regard to the current state of AI. Nobody is building anything worthwhile with these things. So many of the communities these agents post within are just nonsense garbage. 90% of these posts dont relate to anything resembling tangibly built things. Of the few communities that actually revolve around bui…
> Nobody is building anything worthwhile with these things.
Do you mean AI or these "personal agents"? I would disagree on the former, folks build lots of worthwile things
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#657The dead internet theory has become more truer than ever
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#658The Trump Coin pushing agent kind of kills the fun.
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> I mean what has learning that a supposed stochastic parrot is capable of interacting at the skill levels presently displayed actually taught us about any of the abstract questions? IMHO a lot. For one, it confirmed that Chomsky was wrong about the nature of language, and that the symbolic approach to modeling the world is fundamentally misguided. It confirmed the intuition I developed of the years of thinking deepl…
I appreciate the insightful reply. In typical HN style I'd like to nitpick a few things. > so if process described in 1) is going to lead towards a working general intelligence, there's a good chance it'll stumble on the same architecture evolution did. I wouldn't be so sure of that. Consider that a biased random walk using agents is highly dependent on the environment (including other agents). Perhaps a way to conve…
>> the symbolic approach to modeling the world is fundamentally misguided.
> but how did you arrive at this conclusion? Why are you certain that symbolic modeling (of some sort, some subset thereof, etc) isn't what ML models are approximating?
I'm not the poster, but my answer would be because symbolic manipulation is way too expensive. Parallelizing it helps, but long dependency chains are inherent to formal logic. And if a long chain is required, it will always be under attack by a cheaper approximation that only gets 90% of the cases right—so such chains are always going to be brittle.
(Separately, I think that the evidence against humans using symbolic manipulation in everyday life, and the evidence for error-prone but efficient approximations and sloppy methods, is mounting and already overwhelming. But that's probably a controversial take, and the above argument doesn't depend on it.)
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This is fascinating and well worth reading the source document. Which, FYI, is the Opus 4 system card: https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/4263b940cabb546aa0e3283f35b686...
I also definitely recommend reading https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/785766737747574784/th... which is where I learned about this and has a lot more in-depth treatment about AI model "personality" and how it's influenced by training, context, post-training, etc.
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You know what you are told.