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Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by wlesieutre »

embedding-shape wrote: post #132
orbital-decay wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most gamers don't give a shit about openness. A much more likely outcome is "big tech" following the numbers and slowly making Linux unusable by using EEE or any other tactic under the pretense of usefulness.

> Most gamers don't give a shit about openness I don't think this is a given. I think most gamers so far haven't cared about openness because pragmatically, it didn't matter for them. Now they're seeing the long-term effect of not caring about that though, which is why we're suddenly seeing a movement of gamers moving to Linux, and trying to get others to move with them, because they realize the importance now, as th…

They don't care about it as an abstract idea, but they do notice that Windows 11 is worse than Windows 10 was worse than Windows 8 was worse than Windows 7.

I'm not saying there have been zero useful improvements in later Windows releases, but 7 looked good and did what you told it to. "Openness" is a very abstract idea but "Only does what you tell it to" is a selling point for Linux.

You know it's not going to upload all your documents to OneDrive and then erase them from the computer.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by flumpcakes »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #134

Finally. The previous hate GOG showed towards Linux was absolutely ridiculous.

What is the story behind that? I would have thought GOG would be neutral at worst about Linux as a platform considering their anti-DRM pitch.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by pjmlp »

emsign wrote: post #14

I'm very hopeful that Linux gaming will save the open PC desktop despite big tech is coming to destroy it. Or at least keep PCs alive for another decade. Gamers are still a huge factor as hardware customers. GOG creating a Linux launcher and Steam Box with SteamOS coming out soon should benefit PC users in general not just gamers since Microslop sees Windows like a social experiment where they can test AI on unsuspec…

There is nothing to save as long as it relies on game studios using Windows workstations, coding in Visual Studio and targeting DirectX.

The goal has to be to make native Linux attractive, so that they actually bother to create native executables, using Vulkan and co.

Until then it is no different from playing arcade games with MAME on Linux.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by dartharva »

lifetimerubyist wrote: post #117
orbital-decay wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most gamers don't give a shit about openness. A much more likely outcome is "big tech" following the numbers and slowly making Linux unusable by using EEE or any other tactic under the pretense of usefulness.

Gamers generally game on PC because they like building their system. Otherwise they would use a PS5 Pro or whatever. The PC is an “open” platform in that you can buy and choose your own hardware. Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia, Seagate vs Western Digital, etc…. Using open software isn’t really more than a few steps from that. Being able to pick how your system works and customizing it to your liking is basically the software…

Wrong, most PC gamers do not build their systems

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by pjmlp »

wlesieutre wrote: post #171
embedding-shape wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most gamers don't give a shit about openness I don't think this is a given. I think most gamers so far haven't cared about openness because pragmatically, it didn't matter for them. Now they're seeing the long-term effect of not caring about that though, which is why we're suddenly seeing a movement of gamers moving to Linux, and trying to get others to move with them, because they realize the importance now, as th…

They don't care about it as an abstract idea, but they do notice that Windows 11 is worse than Windows 10 was worse than Windows 8 was worse than Windows 7. I'm not saying there have been zero useful improvements in later Windows releases, but 7 looked good and did what you told it to. "Openness" is a very abstract idea but "Only does what you tell it to" is a selling point for Linux. You know it's not going to uploa…

Yes, but when they go out creating that aquarium PC tower with rainbow lights, they will install W11 Pro as usual.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by pjmlp »

lifetimerubyist wrote: post #117
orbital-decay wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most gamers don't give a shit about openness. A much more likely outcome is "big tech" following the numbers and slowly making Linux unusable by using EEE or any other tactic under the pretense of usefulness.

Gamers generally game on PC because they like building their system. Otherwise they would use a PS5 Pro or whatever. The PC is an “open” platform in that you can buy and choose your own hardware. Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia, Seagate vs Western Digital, etc…. Using open software isn’t really more than a few steps from that. Being able to pick how your system works and customizing it to your liking is basically the software…

Forgeting the part that all those parts bring in Windows drivers with them for easy installation.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by flumpcakes »

lewispollard wrote: post #63
thrownawaysz wrote: post #53

>Competitive Salary – We ensure fair and attractive compensation that reflects your skills and experience: 18 000 - 27 000 PLN/month I know it's eastern Europe but that's $5000-7500 a month, barely $90k a year. It sounds like a solo job too so a lot of responsibility for this salary.

Yeah that's a good salary in Europe. It's only slightly less than I make in the UK as a senior.

Ditto. It seems like the graduate wage in the US is 2x my senior salary in the UK, which sounds very similar to yours. It seems massively inflated compared to other US jobs. Tech jobs in the UK seem to be more inline with other sectors.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by vbezhenar »

gr4vityWall wrote: post #33
EspadaV9 wrote: post #7

No. Please don't. Contribute to something like Heroic Launcher instead. Don't create something new just for GOG. Help make the existing tools better. It'll mean GOG has to do less work, and the programs people are already using will get better. Or even just sponsor Heroic so they can send more time we can working on it themselves.

Alternatively, work on developing protocols for game launchers instead. Get the Heroic Launcher devs and devs from other launchers to work on a common interface.

You don't need launchers. Game is a simple application like any other. Just double click it...

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by SJMG »

blueflow wrote: post #168
orbital-decay wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most gamers don't give a shit about openness. A much more likely outcome is "big tech" following the numbers and slowly making Linux unusable by using EEE or any other tactic under the pretense of usefulness.

The pretense is security, PC software attestation is already in the workings: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46784572

The phones were prior with "play protect" certification. It's all being captured. Since we can't seem to have more virtuous companies, we need more regulation.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by ecshafer »

pjmlp wrote: post #173
emsign wrote: post #14

I'm very hopeful that Linux gaming will save the open PC desktop despite big tech is coming to destroy it. Or at least keep PCs alive for another decade. Gamers are still a huge factor as hardware customers. GOG creating a Linux launcher and Steam Box with SteamOS coming out soon should benefit PC users in general not just gamers since Microslop sees Windows like a social experiment where they can test AI on unsuspec…

There is nothing to save as long as it relies on game studios using Windows workstations, coding in Visual Studio and targeting DirectX. The goal has to be to make native Linux attractive, so that they actually bother to create native executables, using Vulkan and co. Until then it is no different from playing arcade games with MAME on Linux.

Targeting DirectX and Win32 has become targeting Linux with how good Wine/Proton have gotten. I am able to play brand new games with no Linux support absolutely perfectly through proton. These games run better than games that had linux support actually ran on linux.
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