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Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Pricing (both cheaper and more predictable), and reduced complexity.

Interesting. I'd have thought these giants would have better pricing because of the scale...

Quite the opposite. They have mindshare lock–in and don't face competitive pressure to reduce prices. AWS boasts it never increased prices but it also never reduced them by much, even as hardware got an order of magnitude cheaper.

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Interesting. I'd have thought these giants would have better pricing because of the scale...

The last comparison I did was Hetzner offers 14x the performance per dollar Not including the faster SSD & included traffic

Is that based on their cloud or dedicated offering?

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Interesting. I'd have thought these giants would have better pricing because of the scale...

I haven't been professionally involved in AWS in some time, and never was involved in pricing. Personally, the only thing I know of that is a true deal vs. competition is cold storage of data. Using the s3 glacier tiers for long term data that is saved solely for emergencies is really cheap, something like $1/100GB a month or less. AWS is usually not the cheapest EVER when it comes to offerings like EC2. If you aren'…

Glacier Deep Archive is around $1/TB/month. This is also about the good deal price for storage servers right now, although Glacier offers redundancy which storage servers don't.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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At a certain price people choose not to buy

Sure, the market may shrink some but it's also relative to alternatives that are also increasing. There's no advice in the article the market is shrinking or that pricing is causing it to. People leaving the market on this type of cost will likely be people that have VPS's as idle resources, like some forgotten subscription they don't use but never canceled because it's The comparison to 2000s telcom market does not…

$10 per year is extremely rare. $5 per month is common, and if it goes up to $10, a lot of people will still keep it if they're using it.

The provider is still making the same money for the same cost on that pre–existing service, so they might not even choose to raise the price for old customers. They're only losing an opportunity cost, and different businesses weight that differently.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Ideally all cloud applications hostable on any platform would just provide the following services to clients: A. rendezvous services so clients can connect to one another, B. storage/retrieval of encrypted data where the host does not have the key to decrypt, C. transport of encrypted data which cannot be known by the host due to B above. > How can you trust him to have redundant networks You can't, so abstract that…

Your data has to be decrypted somewhere to be useable, how would that work?

at the endpoints

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Yeah I'll need conclusive proof of that.

This is not difficult, you just need to run `htop` and perform addition of the RES column (which is in KB unless a unit is shown). Example: USER RES▽ Command root 70436 systemd-journald root 14268 amazon-ssm-agent root 13508 systemd root 12160 systemd --user root 10240 sshd: root@pts/0 root 9088 sshd: root [priv] root 8944 systemd-udevd root 8704 systemd-logind root 8320 nix-daemon --daemon systemd-ti 8192 systemd-ti…

Why are you using systemd in a minimalist system?

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Yeah I'll need conclusive proof of that.

This is not difficult, you just need to run `htop` and perform addition of the RES column (which is in KB unless a unit is shown). Example: USER RES▽ Command root 70436 systemd-journald root 14268 amazon-ssm-agent root 13508 systemd root 12160 systemd --user root 10240 sshd: root@pts/0 root 9088 sshd: root [priv] root 8944 systemd-udevd root 8704 systemd-logind root 8320 nix-daemon --daemon systemd-ti 8192 systemd-ti…

>> You definitely can use Linux with few simple servers with 128 MB RAM. > > This is not difficult, you just need to run `htop` and perform addition of the RES column (which is in KB unless a unit is shown). Example:

I'm not quite sure what points this makes... That's supposed to fit on 128MB? And it doesn't include memory consumed by the kernel itself (which is not negligible at this scale), and linux needs spare for cache to work remotely decently.

    $ awk '{ tot+=$2 } END { print tot /1024 }' 
I'm sure you can run a linux with 128MB of ram, but certainly not with systemd and a default kernel... Perhaps DSL (damn small linux) or alpine.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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If the US government bans the import of RAM, it guarantees the immediate collapse of the US.

I don't think so, Lutnick just made sure the US wouldn't need to import DRAM with his newest threats.

Wow. They are 100% tariffing all RAM. RAM is not made in the USA.

This destroys all the AI companies, and more.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Canadian here, could you share the name of the provider? I'd love to move to something more local and just need a basic small vps for a simple apache host. I know of a couple providers but never talked to anyone actually using one.

They're probably talking about ServaRICA. They post deals on LowEndTalk.

Thank you!

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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I'd see Chinese RAM manufacturers like CXMT filling the void left in the market for consumer-grade RAM modules, I appreciate they face challenges (like lack of access to cutting edge EUV machines), but the RAM just needs to be fast enough and affordable enough for the average user for these companies to make significant inroads into the market that Micron, Samsung and SK Hynix are abandoning to chase the AI server ma…

I am very hopeful of CXMT. But then then it could take a while for them to ramp up production. Maybe by then, the AI bubble would've burst. One problem with US sanctions is it could hurt US companies too, like in the case of cutting-edge EUV and CXMT. This is when China is actually a hero and not a villain.

We can certainly do with less plastic junk and fast fashion. But on the high end it hard to argue that cheaper Chinese products are ever a bad thing.

If corporations in western (aligned) countries stopped feeding sovereign wealth funds and private equity with profits and actually invested something maybe they could compete with China more closely, even with whatever shenanigans the CPC get up to with state support.

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