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Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by unethical_ban »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #11
nicoburns wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pricing (both cheaper and more predictable), and reduced complexity.

Interesting. I'd have thought these giants would have better pricing because of the scale...

I haven't been professionally involved in AWS in some time, and never was involved in pricing.

Personally, the only thing I know of that is a true deal vs. competition is cold storage of data. Using the s3 glacier tiers for long term data that is saved solely for emergencies is really cheap, something like $1/100GB a month or less.

AWS is usually not the cheapest EVER when it comes to offerings like EC2. If you aren't doing cloud-native or serverless at AWS, you're probably spending too much.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by stephenr »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #3

Out of curiosity, what advantages do the small VPS hosts offer compared to the big 3 (AWS, Azure, Google Cloud)? Customer Service? Pricing? Local Data Center?

Others have mentioned the general pricing, simplicity etc.

Outbound data pricing is a potentially huge saving.

AWS is as much as $90/TB outbound with 1GB free. Hetzner is $1.20/TB (in EU and US) with 1TB/20TB (US/EU) free.

(Good) Smaller places are more likely to have actual technical staff you can talk to.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by zeagle »

baby_souffle wrote: post #39
enlyth wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few months ago I was going through my secondary email and noticed I was getting a $0.01 monthly bill from AWS. Having not used AWS for years, I logged in to check it out, navigated through the Kafkaesque maze of their services until I found what I was looking for: A lone S3 storage bucket, with one file, "Squirrel.jpg". A 200kB picture of a squirrel that I uploaded 8 years ago and can't remember why.

> I was getting a $0.01 monthly bill from AWS. I wonder what the cost to AWS was for keeping track of that and running your CC. There's no way they made money off you / that 12 cents/year cost them *at least* 12 cents to collect every year

That's funny. I kept getting a -$100 bill from a credit card for a few months after closing it. Eventually called them and suggested they can send me a cheque instead of a bill next time for similar reasons...

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by Tiberium »

I don't know if you can consider Netcup "small", but their RS 4000 G12 ("root server", basically a VPS with dedicated/guaranteed resources) costs ~€31 for a monthly contract for any location in Europe without VAT included.

It's 12 dedicated cores of a modern EPYC CPU, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVMe.

I got that offer during their Black Friday sale and pay €25/month (price before VAT), plus the offer I got has a 2TB NVMe instead of the 1TB one.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by qwertox »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #3

Out of curiosity, what advantages do the small VPS hosts offer compared to the big 3 (AWS, Azure, Google Cloud)? Customer Service? Pricing? Local Data Center?

Price. 1 vCore, 2GB RAM, 20GB SSD, unlimited traffic (though throttled to 200mbit/s after transferring 2TB within 24 hours) = 1.85€

That is a nice way to have a static IP on the internet and enough resources to do small things like host a nameserver and/or OpenVPN/Wireguard.

I may have had 4 hours of downtime in one year, always announced days in advance.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by stephenr »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #11
nicoburns wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pricing (both cheaper and more predictable), and reduced complexity.

Interesting. I'd have thought these giants would have better pricing because of the scale...

AWS outbound data is as much as 75x the cost of eg Hetzner.

I view a large percentage of "cloud" usage like Teslas stock price: it's completely detached from reality by people who have drunk the kool aid and can't get out.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by croes »

conductr wrote: post #24

If everyone is being hit by the same cost issues, small VPS hosts just need to charge more to operate the same. Most small VPS hosts are dirt cheap and I don't think many people would be shocked if prices go up in this environment.

At a certain price people choose not to buy

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by vbezhenar »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #23

RAM shortage or competent programmer shortage? Can't get a Linux box to idle (or even install) under 512M these days. Can't find a web developer worth a shit who doesn't think he needs a Python backend application server to print "Hello, world" when you could do this with a static page served with something like OpenBSD with two-digit RAM requirements. It's not the RAM that's changed; it's everyone around the RAM. A…

You definitely can use Linux with few simple servers with 128 MB RAM.

Install can be tricky indeed, but if you have installed system, it's easier.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by enlyth »

baby_souffle wrote: post #39
enlyth wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few months ago I was going through my secondary email and noticed I was getting a $0.01 monthly bill from AWS. Having not used AWS for years, I logged in to check it out, navigated through the Kafkaesque maze of their services until I found what I was looking for: A lone S3 storage bucket, with one file, "Squirrel.jpg". A 200kB picture of a squirrel that I uploaded 8 years ago and can't remember why.

> I was getting a $0.01 monthly bill from AWS. I wonder what the cost to AWS was for keeping track of that and running your CC. There's no way they made money off you / that 12 cents/year cost them *at least* 12 cents to collect every year

IIRC the CC they had on hand had long expired and they never actually managed to charge me for these minuscule amounts, which is why I didn't notice it for so long.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

miyuru wrote: post #2

Most low-end providers will just keep using old hardware for longer. IPv4 shortages didn’t kill it, and I don’t think this will either.

Exactly this. The old hardware from a year ago is fine as the typical use-case for a VPS didn't change.
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