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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by m132 »

justapassenger wrote: post #68

I miss the old school monopolies, where MS was a bad guy because they dared to include browser. And yes, I do legalese details of that are much more complex. But it just makes no common sense.

It gets real depressing when you compare the recent case of Google to what was done to AT&T in the 80s.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but it feels like over the past couple of decades we've gone from clever guys coming together with an idea and starting companies like Microsoft, Google, and Apple, to celebrating buyouts of startups by large behemoths—that's how low the definition of success has dropped. Is competition law even a thing anymore?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by cephi »

nout wrote: post #85
shimman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me? I'm working to help people get elected to Congress to help regulate this mess.

Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by Nextgrid »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #98
DANmode wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If their app didn’t exist on iOS, would it be weird/embarrassing for Apple? That’s what “popular” means, in this context. That’s how they make their decisions.

I feel like it would definitely be weird. But Patreon does have a web version but I am not sure how many people prefer web sites in Apple ecosystem especially on Ios so I do find the whole thing to be a bit weird because this ~30% cut essentially seems to rip off of creators in some sense.

Patreon is a very niche app in the grand scheme of things. There's the saying that only 1% of web visitors ever stop by and actually contribute, and I'd expect that number to drop to 0.001% when it comes to contributing monetarily through a tool like Patreon. This is an absolutely tiny minority.

Hell I'd argue more people are upset about the lack of an OnlyFans app than Patreon. OF has way more brand-recognition (outside of tech) than Patreon.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by johnnyanmac »

blell wrote: post #96
_alaya wrote: post #89

Apple has an impressive commitment to evil, similar to Oracle. They get better at it every year.

The tremendously, villainy evil of getting money for a service.

So

- the devs all need to get licesnses and specific hardware to develop for IOS

- They spin up their own servers to manage all the finances coming in

- They work on their payment processing solution separate from Apple. And Patreon still pays some fee to apple over the app.

- the model of Patreon only takes 5% off of creators, so that's not enough for Apple. It also wants a cut at the customers of the website who provide services. Customers not beholden to any one platform.\

- And to force them to do that, they are kicking the other processing plan off as an option, leaving only them to work with.

And it's somehow not evil? If I let a friend sleepover at my apartment, is the landlord in the right to demand a day of rent from them too?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by anonymous908213 »

m132 wrote: post #122
brianwawok wrote: post #76

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Like try to break the internet and the java programming language? The former being most successful for years

I have a theory that they've actually succeeded with the latter too. I mean, look at Java now, and look how many mini-Javas (all those JIT-compiled languages and their runtimes) have emerged since. The point of Java was to unify, we've got more division than ever instead.

The point of Java was write-once, run everywhere, and that is perfectly viable these days. I don't want to live in a world where everyone is a Java programmer, and I don't think there is really any reason to suppose that unifying on a single programming language would be desirable for developers. IMO, Javascript already shows the dangers of over-unification; you get an ecosystem so full of packages that a significant portion of the language's developers are only capable of developing by stacking 1000 packages on top of each other, with no ability to write their own code and accordingly no ability to optimize or secure their programs according to the bespoke needs of the project rather than using general purpose off-the-shelf libraries.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by weberer »

cephi wrote: post #132
nout wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?

Use Android

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by johnnyanmac »

nout wrote: post #85
shimman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me? I'm working to help people get elected to Congress to help regulate this mess.

Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

>Why would you want to give the government such power?

Because the government is the only body equipped to create and enforce consumer rights laws. Do you think we'd have refund policies if the government didn't regulate them?

>then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

Okay. How is the act of forbidding platforms from banning alternative payment processors going to backfire?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by mort96 »

epolanski wrote: post #113
mort96 wrote: post #36

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This is counterproductive. The only alternative to letting Apple exploit you is letting Google exploit you. There are differences, Google is somewhat better on this specific point, but there's enough things Google is worse at (such as privacy) that choosing Google isn't exactly without downsides. Your mindset results in Apple users thinking "the problem is those stupid Android idiots who accept being in an ad tech co…

> This is counterproductive. The only alternative to letting Apple exploit you is letting Google exploit you. Or allowing users to control their hardware and software and give them the freedom to install the hell they want on it? We've been using computers for eternities where we still have the possibility, yet, as soon as it is about phones then "no way, we protecting you from bad actors". Give me a break, you want…

As a user, I can not allow users to control their hardware. It is not up to me. I get to choose between Apple and Google, and neither is in the business of allowing users to control their hardware.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by johnnyanmac »

weberer wrote: post #136
cephi wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?

Use Android

That's only a solution until Google does the same. And then we're stuck. What do we do when the two largest phone platforms perform this stuff? Go off the grid instead of talking to our representatives?
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