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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by anonymous908213 »

brianwawok wrote: post #76
justapassenger wrote: post #68

I miss the old school monopolies, where MS was a bad guy because they dared to include browser. And yes, I do legalese details of that are much more complex. But it just makes no common sense.

Like try to break the internet and the java programming language? The former being most successful for years

If you mention Java, I think you may only incite more nostalgia for the monopolies of yesteryear. Was Microsoft's approach to Java evil and ill-intentioned, yes, absolutely. But it eventually resulted in .NET and C#, so I'd say that particular battle was a net benefit to humanity in the end. .NET is even truly cross-platform now, and open-source. Meanwhile Apple achieves interesting technical advances with their new hardware but I will never benefit from the existence of it because I will not use hardware that is locked to a prison OS.

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Post by m132 »

brianwawok wrote: post #76
justapassenger wrote: post #68

I miss the old school monopolies, where MS was a bad guy because they dared to include browser. And yes, I do legalese details of that are much more complex. But it just makes no common sense.

Like try to break the internet and the java programming language? The former being most successful for years

I have a theory that they've actually succeeded with the latter too. I mean, look at Java now, and look how many mini-Javas (all those JIT-compiled languages and their runtimes) have emerged since. The point of Java was to unify, we've got more division than ever instead.

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Post by Miraste »

bigyabai wrote: post #87
Miraste wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's also because of software. Apple deprecated OpenCL in MacOS eight years ago. In productivity software with solid Metal implementations, like Blender, the M4 Max is on par with the top of Nvidia's (mobile) 5xxx line, except with much more VRAM.

No software fix exists, Apple's GPUs are architecturally limited to raster efficiency (and now, matmul ops). It's frankly bewildering that a raster-optimized SOC struggles to decisively outperform a tensor-optimized CUDA system in 2026.

I get the feeling you had a specific use case that didn't work well with Apple GPUs? I'd be curious what it was. The architecture does have some unusual limitations.

By software problem, though, I meant referencing OpenCL benchmarks. No one in 2026 should be using OpenCL on macOS at all, and the benchmarks aren’t representative of the hardware.

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Post by thewebguyd »

Waterluvian wrote: post #81

I think I’m old enough to have experienced this cycle so many times with so many businesses that I just feel kind of silly to hate on Apple or Microsoft or whoever. They’re all just maximizing profits as designed. I think people find it easier to scowl at the villain du jour than to dig into the deep complex issue of when capitalism doesn’t work, when the government isn’t doing enough, and what we could do about it……

> feeling that we really can’t do much.

That's why people don't dig into the deep complex issues. Because it's uncomfortable, and forces one to confront the potential reality that their worldview, and everything they've known about how our society works is wrong, broken, and collapsing in front of them.

It can be a very distressing and depressing state of mind. There's a reason "ignorance is bliss" is a common trope, because there's some real truth to it. For some, it's better for emotional and mental wellbeing to ignore the problems of reality and remain ignorant.

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Post by DANmode »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #98
DANmode wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If their app didn’t exist on iOS, would it be weird/embarrassing for Apple? That’s what “popular” means, in this context. That’s how they make their decisions.

I feel like it would definitely be weird. But Patreon does have a web version but I am not sure how many people prefer web sites in Apple ecosystem especially on Ios so I do find the whole thing to be a bit weird because this ~30% cut essentially seems to rip off of creators in some sense.

It rips off everyone.

Epic Games went to federal court over this with Apple like 40 fuckin times - a related fun read for you.

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Post by pixl97 »

impossiblefork wrote: post #110
pixl97 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I really don’t understand this attitude. It's not an attitude, it's an observation. Corporations almost never change their behaviors because of protests and people bitching about them. It's one of the least effective ways of implementing change, especially when said company holds a locked in/monopoly position. The thing is the end consumer is mostly hidden from the problems of Apples over charging, it deeply affects…

But it's completely wrong. Having a boycott against you is like being hated. Firms spend enormous sums on advertisements. Even a tiny group boycotting you has a substantial influence on your popularity-- they will tell their friends, etc. and will lead to reduced popularity.

It is not completely wrong. It's situational. The attention span of the general public is short, exceptionally short when it's about something that doesn't directly affect the general public too.

General public: "OMG, I should boycott Apple because they are making some other businesses life hard, why?"

It's a very hard sale because all the general public sees is Apple phones are easy to use and friendly. Attempting to explain the complexities that occur in the background gives Apple power in the narrative that they are doing everything to keep you "safe".

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Post by cephi »

protocolture wrote: post #94
brianwawok wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like try to break the internet and the java programming language? The former being most successful for years

You mean the web right? Or did Microsoft ever roll its own BGP code?

There's also the time they tried to kill the open-ness of SMTP

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Post by cdrnsf »

m132 wrote: post #43

Patiently waiting for a mandatory 30% fee on every transaction made with iOS banking software. Maybe that'll put a definitive stop to forcing mobile "apps" with jailbreak detection on customers and have banks think twice before crippling the functionality of their websites. Please Apple, make this happen.

I just use the bank's website.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by carlosjobim »

cdrnsf wrote: post #128
m132 wrote: post #43

Patiently waiting for a mandatory 30% fee on every transaction made with iOS banking software. Maybe that'll put a definitive stop to forcing mobile "apps" with jailbreak detection on customers and have banks think twice before crippling the functionality of their websites. Please Apple, make this happen.

I just use the bank's website.

Many banks require you to two-factor authenticate with an app on your phone.
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