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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Yea, that won't do much. How about convict Apple of monopoly practices.

I really don’t understand this attitude. Of course it will. If enough people do it. This is how corporations change not through protest and we’re certainly not going to get any antimonopoly anything going on soon. They make literally about 40% of their profit off of Apple services. Do you really think if people on mass stopped buying Apple TV, Apple Pay, Apple Music, an iCloud, they wouldn’t care? https://www.apple.c…

> if people on mass [sic] stopped buying

Ah, the "vote with your dollar" argument. How's that been working out.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#112

I think I’m old enough to have experienced this cycle so many times with so many businesses that I just feel kind of silly to hate on Apple or Microsoft or whoever. They’re all just maximizing profits as designed. I think people find it easier to scowl at the villain du jour than to dig into the deep complex issue of when capitalism doesn’t work, when the government isn’t doing enough, and what we could do about it……

You don’t need to solve the problems of capitalism to call bullshit bullshit. Saying “companies maximize profits” doesn’t magically make the behavior acceptable and when Apple does this, it’s not just “the market at work,” it’s the use of market power.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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I call this the Apple "idiot tax" - 'cos you have to be an idiot in letting Apple exploit you (the developer and the user) this brazenly.

This is counterproductive. The only alternative to letting Apple exploit you is letting Google exploit you. There are differences, Google is somewhat better on this specific point, but there's enough things Google is worse at (such as privacy) that choosing Google isn't exactly without downsides. Your mindset results in Apple users thinking "the problem is those stupid Android idiots who accept being in an ad tech co…

> This is counterproductive. The only alternative to letting Apple exploit you is letting Google exploit you.

Or allowing users to control their hardware and software and give them the freedom to install the hell they want on it?

We've been using computers for eternities where we still have the possibility, yet, as soon as it is about phones then "no way, we protecting you from bad actors".

Give me a break, you want to help protect me from bad actors implement proper software/hardware jails/containers for third party software and that's it.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Honestly… if we implemented $0.01 charge on every message, post and etc. the world would become an amazing place.

1. This would not deter bad actors in any way, spammers already have no issue paying for junk mail. An 0.01 cost means nothing if the action they're taking generates more than 0.01 for them (it generally does). In fact this essentially incentivizes bad actors; you get punished for not profiting off your messages, so people would be more inclined to find ways to monetize their posts. 2. The costs for this would be rid…

>spammers already have no issue paying for junk mail.

Junk mail isn't that expensive in the grand scheme of things. And I'd be surprised if the margins for this was so high that a mere 1 cent transactions wouldn't deter so many of them.

I see it the opposite. You will never stop truly motivated propaganda from spreading its messae. They put millions into it and the goal isn't necessarily profit. But you stop a lot of low time scammers with a small cost barrier.If only because they then take a cheaper grift.

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Me? I'm working to help people get elected to Congress to help regulate this mess.

Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/media/1344546/dl?inline

Apple is already getting sued by the DOJ for their abusive business practices. They should be regulated.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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I think I’m old enough to have experienced this cycle so many times with so many businesses that I just feel kind of silly to hate on Apple or Microsoft or whoever. They’re all just maximizing profits as designed. I think people find it easier to scowl at the villain du jour than to dig into the deep complex issue of when capitalism doesn’t work, when the government isn’t doing enough, and what we could do about it……

You don’t need to solve the problems of capitalism to call bullshit bullshit. Saying “companies maximize profits” doesn’t magically make the behavior acceptable and when Apple does this, it’s not just “the market at work,” it’s the use of market power.

Complaining about it is part of the system operating the way it operates. It’s factored in already. I just think that it’s not really interesting. It’s reasoning about the instance, not the class.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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> I think the most annoying thing is how unevenly the policy is applied. Some megacorps pay the 30% and others like Amazon get sweetheart deals. I agree, there were deals down to 15% I think (maybe lower) but I don't think that's still happening? I mean, Netflix finally gave up but only after increasing their IAP fee to cover the difference for many years. I might be behind the times on this but I didn't think they s…

>but I don't think that's still happening? Apple and the contracted company are very very unlikely to tell you they have a secret contract for lower prices in effect unless they are forced to under court disclosure.

Oh, I 100% agree. I was wrong, I thought they got in trouble for doing that but I think I am only remembering things that came out in discovery for the Epic case, which didn’t center on that or prevent Apple from having such arrangements.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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A nickel for each iMessage…

Honestly… if we implemented $0.01 charge on every message, post and etc. the world would become an amazing place.

That would totally amplify the voice of people you want to hear more from, not less /s

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#120

When the App Store first launched I think 30% was pretty fair fee for Apple to collect, but that was a long time ago, and before IAP/Subscriptions. Apple might still be entitled to some percentage but they've expanded to cover more and more things (like this Patreon change or Kindle back in the day) and now we have moved far, far beyond the pale. Apple (perhaps like all corporations but I'm focusing on Apple) is a gr…

There's little assurance of safety or 'fitness for purpose' for apps in the App Store. Apple takes 30% for distribution, and you're basically on your own.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-betrayed-trust-says-iph...

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