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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Langley is part of Fairfax County. Much of northern Virginia is unincorporated Census Designated Places within counties. Additionally, a large portion of NGOs are based in Fairfax county due to the proximity to DC. The NRA headquarters is in Fairfax, and Maria Butina lived down the road from the NRA headquarters. A fun game to play is following the source. For instance, when events in Xiajiang were getting nonstop co…

Can we see your documentation for this claim?

What part? NGO/thinktanks operating within a 30 minute drive to the nation's capital?

One such example is James Leibold, a scholar of Xinjiang ethnic policy. He would report on Xiajiang and the claimed genocide. He is an australian. He worked for the Jamestown Foundation based in DC.

On the Board of Directors for the Jamestown Foundation is a man named Michael G Vickers, who was previously the Under Secretary of Defense for intelligence, and worked at the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan War(The one where the US funded the Mujahadeen who immediately began throwing grenades into schools for girls).

Vickers was even featured in the book, "Charlie Wilson's War", about Operation Cyclone and the events which would eventually lead to blowback via 9/11, the war in Afghanistan, and the second Iraq war.

This is just one example. Any time you see articles like this, follow the sources. They either wont cite anything, or will cite a thinktank/NGO staffed by career intelligence workers and funded by similar groups.

https://jamestown.org/analyst/james-leibold/

https://jamestown.org/our-team/?department=board

https://jamestown.org/analyst/michael-vickers/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_G._Vickers

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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How is this possible without explosives? Even with vehicle mounted machine guns it seems like a crazy high number. Did the protestors get boxed in somehow? And across so many locations, that seems to require a crazy amount of coordination to kill so many in so little time.

> And across so many locations, that seems to require a crazy amount of coordination to kill so many in so little time.

No different from any other military operation to be honest. I'm not sure why you're incredulous about the death toll when a military is ordered to shoot to kill.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Because the far worse Palestine massacre was perpetrated by an ally of the West, defended by western politicians and opinion makers, financed with western money and armed with western weapons. Then it makes sense to protest against your country's complicity. Protesting in your country against an enemy country that has been subjected already to all kinds of sanctions and military attacks makes little sense.

Did you also think that protests of the Darfur genocide were pointless?

Not sure. Did you participate in them? What were they asking for?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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I heard the number was much higher than that, they massacred 6 million iranians during those protests. I mean, this is the nail in the coffin, I'm removing my hacker news account, this is even worse than reddit in propaganda.

... Ok? This is not an airport. You do not need to announce your departure.

Bye

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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And there are many other legitimate questions: where are the celebrities speaking up to defend the cause of the iranian protesters? Where are the students in western universities protesting against what the iranian regime did? Where's the International Court of Justice's condemnation of iranian politicians? Where's the flotilla led by Greta Thumberg in support of the iranian people? There are, IMO, very grave and ver…

The biggest difference is "our" role in it. For western countries, the economic and diplomatic relations with e.g. Israel is a lot stronger than with Iran. It makes much more sense to speak up if you feel your country or one of their allies does something you disagree with. That is only pragmatic, right? Speaking up might actually change things by putting these relations at stake. For Iran, there might not be much le…

I think this is something that a lot of supporters of the Gaza protests tell themselves, but I am not sure that it's actually true. The US and other Western countries sell weapons to Saudi Arabia and have extensive economic ties to that country. Saudi Arabia recently engaged in a bombing campaign in Yemen that looked very similar to Israel's campaign in Gaza. And yet there were no protests. Also, you can influence your country's policies towards another country whether or not the two countries are allies. Years ago, there was a mass protest movement in the west against the genocide in Darfur for example. Nobody said "we don't have a lot of economic or diplomatic ties to Sudan so there's no point in protesting".

I think the real reason has to do with 1) there was an existing, organized pro-Palestinian movement that had experience protesting; 2) many organizations on the left saw the Israel-Gaza conflict as fitting very nicely into their larger anti-imperialist ideology in a way that other conflicts don't; 3) everyone more-or-less knows where Israel is on the map and has some familiarity with it; 4) there were a lot of really shocking images and video from Gaza

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?”

My government doesn’t fund Iran.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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There are hundreds of videos of tower blocks being bombed, where people are standing a distance away with cameras set up, ready and waiting, because they’ve been warned and evacuated. These are not the actions of an army trying to target civilians.

No amount of warning will save children from starving if the access roads and relief convoys are blocked. I'm quite frankly quite appalled at the amount of apologists in this thread. Warning civilians is not an excuse to genocide them.

I’m appalled at the lack of balanced comments in here. Acknowledging the humanity of the people on both sides. That both deserve to live in peace. That both have suffered deaths and injuries from the other side. That both can claim the other side has committed war crimes.

Demonizing one side is neither rational, moral, nor conducive to resolving the situation.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

Buddy I'd join the right wingers if they weren't wrong about abortion, freedom of religion, gay rights, trans rights, economics, racism, public safety, environmentalism, cars...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

> this is a moral dilemma for the left lovers!

I think your optics are skewed as to what is seen as "the left" in US centric ways. In my east european part of the world the perspective isn't shaped by ethnicity at all (except when the organized right does anti immigration manifestations), but with disgust of what authoritarians do around the world. The world seems to be in a simmering stage, and the fact that we have our Serbian neighbors continuously protesting for more than a year, dampens ideals of being able to effect change through protests.

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