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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

thinking_cactus wrote: post #72
yieldcrv wrote: post #15

hm, I think we should re-evaluate sanctioning or civilian pressure campaigns, since the guise is for them to coax or turn on the government for regime change, but the government can just hire mercenaries from outside the country. don't know a solution but this one isn't it

How about plain civil disobedience? Like just stop working? It would need to get pretty extreme before the government had the audacity (and even capacity) to actually track you down to your home and arrest (or kill) you. Although this kind of coordination might be difficult with government control of communication media.

The government’s income is made up of oil money not tax money. At some point, people may choose death by regime’s bullets than by hunger.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

vogre wrote: post #223

That number would inevitably lead to tons of videos with piles of corpses and cities covered with dead. Like ones that appear when west-backed Julani killed Alawites. But there is almost no such content - only rumors, unnamed sources and documents no one bother to check.

The videos are actually out there. Also remember that they cut the internet just to prevent more evidence coming out.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by CrzyLngPwd »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #28

How is this possible without explosives? Even with vehicle mounted machine guns it seems like a crazy high number. Did the protestors get boxed in somehow? And across so many locations, that seems to require a crazy amount of coordination to kill so many in so little time.

The protesters were armed.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

iammjm wrote: post #245

This is partially on America. Didnt Trump publicly encourage the protesters and promised that the help is on the way?

This is mainly on the security forces who kill people, then on the corrupt government that removes people’s freedoms and their power to decide their fate by free elections, etc. then on regimes apologists who try to undermine the suffering and then if you want to find whoever else that is responsible.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by int_19h »

geraneum wrote: post #232
rayiner wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “Iranians that you work with” in the west are highly self-selecting. They’re like Cubans in Florida or Vietnamese—people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime. My family left Bangladesh the year after the dictator made Islam the official religion. My dad is apoplectic about the Islamist parties being unbanned recently after the government was overthrown. By…

> people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime Iranian who left Iran here. Do you have stats or reference for this critical piece of information? It’s as if someone’s says, since Bangladesh is predominantly muslim, the majority aligns with what the Islamic regime does for ideological reasons and would try to undermine the account of atrocities. But one shouldn’t…

Anecdotally this does seem to be true in US. I know several Iranians in US, from completely different social circles, but all of them strongly anti-clerical and not shy about it.

Also, as a Russian who left Russia, it's certainly a familiar pattern.

Note, by the way, that this doesn't really imply anything about whether those people are wrong to be antagonistic.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Der_Einzige »

rayiner wrote: post #183
redwood wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora.. the fact that so many people just discount their point of view it's pretty frustrating. If you speak to Iranians that you work with it's pretty illuminating

The “Iranians that you work with” in the west are highly self-selecting. They’re like Cubans in Florida or Vietnamese—people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime. My family left Bangladesh the year after the dictator made Islam the official religion. My dad is apoplectic about the Islamist parties being unbanned recently after the government was overthrown. By…

How come they blame carter instead of REAGAN over this shit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by pjc50 »

dominicrose wrote: post #160
bawolff wrote: post #29

That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

There was a lot of death in 2 days but the revolution started about a month ago so it's not just those two days. I think you could compare Gaza to a single Iranian city, but Iran is much larger than this. Another important distinction is that - no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza, but they clearly are the target in Iran. If the civilians had weapons, it would be a different story.

> civilians aren't the target in Gaza

"We killed about 80,000 people by mistake" isn't the exculpation you think it is.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by jdthedisciple »

throwawayheui57 wrote: post #237
jdthedisciple wrote: post #221

Just leaving this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

Fun fact, the clergy was a crucial part of the coup, backed by CIA. The same people in power now, btw.

Fun fact, the same people who preach democracy to you all day,

plotted and went about to oust one of the most democratically legitimate leaders of his country by night.

Let that sink in for a moment.

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