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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by DangitBobby »

XorNot wrote: post #342
cmiles8 wrote: post #230

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I’ll give you that the current US administration isn’t exactly scoring points for subtle diplomatic negotiation, but remember too that most of the United States was purchased from other countries. It’s not a completely bonkers idea that the US could purchase all or some of Greenland. In the end, we’ll probably just see a strengthening or enforcement of the existing treaty for US military use of Greenland which is all…

This post right here is why the rest of the free world will never trust the US again.

This is incredibly mild compared to some things I've heard from family and people that went to my highschool. People here are completely unhinged, unmoored from the reality of the rest of the country, let alone the rest of the world.

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Post by esafak »

xp84 wrote: post #456
dillydogg wrote: post #450

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For those who haven't looked at the results, I find them more depressing: >What emotion best describes how you feel about Donald Trump’s presidency so far? Of Republicans: 40% Satisfaction 24% Enthusiasm/pride 6% Hope 5% Relief They are loving this.

Of course they are, they haven't seen or thought through any consequences yet. Wait and see how they feel in 2 ½ more years.

It does not work like that. Look at countries with similar leaders, past or present: they remain popular. The masses don't experience an epiphany.

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Post by mapt »

shermantanktop wrote: post #483
Der_Einzige wrote: post #471

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Vance has zero of the charisma that Trump has for his voters. I can’t explain the charisma. I can’t even really describe it, but it’s real. Others have tried to replicate it with no luck.

Vance will "have the charisma" of being the focus of the palace cult (around a quarter of the country) while Trump's corpse is still warm.

These people aren't people anymore, they're cultist NPCs. They have suspended personal agency and independent reasoning about their interests in favor of the vibes, in favor of the grift, and in favor of arbitrary Strong Executive Leadership. They will say literally anything Fox News et al tells them to say.

Vance's job was always to end democracy by replacing Trump with somebody more subservient to capital who could stay on-script, while seeming less crazy to liberals. He was practically raised for this. MAGA has been trained to water at the mouth when somebody jangles their keys, and will happily transfer their utter loyalty and devotion to somebody else who can jangle keys.

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Post by willhslade »

beloch wrote: post #462
xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

MAGA will likely not die with Trump, and the Democrats have done their fair share to shaft Canada too. (If Jimmy Carter were still alive you could ask him about his family tree farm and what he thinks of softwood lumber tariffs.) As our PM recently said in Davos, the U.S.-led rules-based world order was a bit of a sham from the get-go. Certain countries were more equal than others. The rules were always flexible and…

Wasn't Carter a peanut farmer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ehnto »

jonathaneunice wrote: post #37

Switching to sovereignty-protecting, locally-hosted collaboration, compute, and storage is by no means impossible. FOSS advocates have been eagerly beating this drum and providing options for 25+ years. The missing ingredient has always been the will to absorb the inevitable cost of change, and the friction of choosing something other than the standard, go-to, often at least apparently free (or at least bundled) tool…

I fail to imagine a single bit of business software that cannot be achieved with open source software, outside of specific proprietary processes. But your average office technology work, I see being very plausible to move to open source. There is definitely going to be a breadth of quality across the tools, but the outputs can all be the same I believe. Even on a personal level, it's worth cultivating self-reliance on tools you control. But at a national scale it feels perhaps existential, worth what learning pains there may be. You also cultivate local software industries.

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Post by andy_ppp »

mgaunard wrote: post #417
luke5441 wrote: post #389

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Not only software. Think back to who supplied the vaccines during COVID.

The British and the Russians also had a COVID vaccine (and much cheaper), and the French cancelled theirs because they realized it would come too late to be competitive. So if they were restricted to some reason to use their own only, they would be fine.

The technology and vaccine design comes from BioNTech, a German company. Pfizer did the phase 2/3 clinical trials, worldwide regulatory expertise and manufacturing outside of Germany.

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Post by anon291 »

charles_f wrote: post #409
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #359

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But they EU doesn't make any software... So unless Canada is willing to go with Chinese software which would kinda invalidate any "moral" ground they have and well frankly the USA wouldn't allow it seems like the USA can take it for granted.

Canada's software market was $73B in 2024. https://www.grandviewresearch.com/horizon/outlook/software-m...

Mostly because it's easier to get a Canadian visa and pay less. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this in hiring panels.

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Post by 8note »

FpUser wrote: post #416
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #369

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No it is not. Canada did not try to do anything resembling Free Trade with China. It is btw prohibited by NAFTA / CUSMA. Canada pursues reasonable targeted deals like every normal country should. Trump is just getting hysterical because some country does not want to suck his dick. He should learn to be civil when dealing with neighbors, well it might be too late for that.

prohibited by nafta/cusma isnt particularly important. the US already ignores the parts it doesnt like

canada should have a free trade deal ready to go for when the US pulls out of it altogether

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Post by backpackviolet »

xp84 wrote: post #456
dillydogg wrote: post #450

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For those who haven't looked at the results, I find them more depressing: >What emotion best describes how you feel about Donald Trump’s presidency so far? Of Republicans: 40% Satisfaction 24% Enthusiasm/pride 6% Hope 5% Relief They are loving this.

Of course they are, they haven't seen or thought through any consequences yet. Wait and see how they feel in 2 ½ more years.

They won't. This is the same line of people that voted for Reagan and Bush II. I used to be one, most of my family still is. Whatever Democrat gets elected (if we have reasonable elections) will get the blame from them and it will be used to fuel the election of the next populist.

This is the mistake a lot of people made with Bush II and Trump I, thinking that "this will all go away" when the man at the center goes away. It won't, no man rules alone, they represent a large population of anti-intellectual isolationists who are not going anywhere. At best you can hope that the intellectuals will govern in a way that helps everyone next time they get a chance, leaving less fuel for the next populist wave.

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Post by 8note »

betaby wrote: post #420
bparsons wrote: post #169

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Canada is in the same boat as the EU -- desperately looking for alternative vendors at the moment.

Canada's government is not looking for MS or AWS alternatives.

i wouldnt be surprised if theyre talking about it internally, and avoiding saying it out loud until they've secured alternative options
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