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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #383
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #365

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> Considering Russian's invasion started February 24, 2022, You mean 2014. But thank you for proving my point. 2014 - 2027 just a short 15 years (assuming it actually happens I have my doubts).

You also previously asserted, without citations, that Canada could not export natural gas to anyone but the US, so forgive me if I don’t take your opinion in high regard as it relates to global energy trade. China and Canada Energy Pact as Canada Aims to Cut Reliance on US - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46640932 - January 2026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919165 ("This line here makes it clear to me…

They still don't have the capacity and I'm still betting they aren't going to build new ones.

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Post by dkga »

trymas wrote: post #325
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272

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Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

> Before: US: "please increase military spending" EU: "no" What this meant between the lines for 60+ years is “please increase military spending on US overpriced weapons that we gonna sell you, weapons will be degraded versions of native counterparts and don’t think about making your own independent military industry. Oh by the way bring those weapons when we will do 20 years of failed occupation in Middle East, beca…

Don‘t forget the kill switches

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Post by schubidubiduba »

oblio wrote: post #287
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272

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Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

> US: "stop killing innovation" EU: " more regulation" Have you ever stopped to think that maybe a large number of Europeans look at the lack of US regulation with disgust?

Honestly so often I take my EU consumer and worker rights for granted, only to hear that they simply don't exist for 90+% of Americans. Amd then I wonder how they even live over there.

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Post by [deleted] »

estimator7292 wrote: post #398
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #359

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But they EU doesn't make any software... So unless Canada is willing to go with Chinese software which would kinda invalidate any "moral" ground they have and well frankly the USA wouldn't allow it seems like the USA can take it for granted.

Canada just announced a huge deal with China last week. You're wrong on all counts.

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Post by schubidubiduba »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #363
alopha wrote: post #286

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Something tells me when the 'something' is a major trade deal with China suddenly it'll be 'oh my god how could you'. The US wants a EU vassal, what they're going to get is an EU that realigned itself to be politically and economically equidistant from the US and China.

The whole point is the USA has been complaining that the EU was/is reducing itself to a vassal. No matter what the USA said or did before they didn't seem to care that they had no power anymore because the USA was there to take care of them. The EU can't realign itself with China because that would destroy the last fragile bits of the EU economy that are left. They are already having issues with the excess supply lan…

No. The US wants the EU to be a vassal, this should be obvious. Why would they want an EU that is more capable of acting against US interests?

The US wants EU to be a vassal, but got tired of paying the protection money for that. Now they are trying, and failing, to keep the EU under their control despite bringing less to the table every day.

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Post by xp84 »

Propelloni wrote: post #418
xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

> Note that I'm not saying everyone should give the US a pass or maintain as much economic and defense dependency on the US. But I think it's hyperbolic to make all your long-term plans assuming something as stupid and self-defeating as his worst anti-ally policies are a new normal, because they harm the US at least as much as they harm everyone else, and everyone but those two knows this. It is debatable if everyone…

> After all, according to the last NYT poll the current POTUS commands an approval rating of 41 % in the USA. The number of people I meet who do not understand how tariffs work, for example, is staggering.

For sure -- the bottom 41% of economic literacy are so misinformed that they have no clue what they're talking about. But those voters aren't picking the nominee for President from among a circus of general morons, the party elites are, and the Republican Party elites are rich dudes who don't want to screw ourselves back to the stone age. Without Trump just flailing around like an idiot, they'd be content to do things that preserve the status quo in a lot of areas. They pander to the unsophisticated Trumpists where needed, but it's lip service, since a lot of them, for instance, love open borders because of how it depresses wages and gives them a compliant workforce. They talk a big game about the debt or the deficit, and also work to make sure we increase defense spending and funnel as much healthcare spending as possible through a bunch of private insurers who add a huge margin to our healthcare costs.

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Post by albuic »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #288
jshen wrote: post #233

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It's not clear that anything will be kneecapped. You need more than a desire to not use these products, you also need a viable alternative. Using products from China or Russia probably isn't deemed viable if the concern is politics, which leads to a need for Europe or Canada to build alternatives. They have not been good at this for a long time, maybe that will change, but it's not clear that it will.

Not sure why you're being downvoted, Europe has been mostly bad at software and services for a long time now. There's a reason Linus lives in Oregon. There's always this occasional chatter about being more competitive, and certainly some good ideas -- for example, the Draghi Report -- but then nothing happens, or you get a few half measures at most. I guess the one upside of Trump being such an aggressive jackass is…

Europe has good software companies. It's just that the US has bigger VC funding which makes European companies unable to compete when US/EU companies are "fighting".

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Post by dragon-hn »

Zigurd wrote: post #231
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

The typical mature technology company in the US earns half their revenue from outside the US. Makes it harder to understand even tacitly supporting white supremacy and ignorant isolationism.

They supported it because they saw an opportunity to remove limitations on them, both domestically (see FCC, restrictions on state level AI laws, etc) as well as internationally (regulations, digital taxes, etc in the EU and Canada, for example).

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Post by PlatoIsADisease »

surgical_fire wrote: post #366
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #354

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Well I am unaware of any deaths or injury from dishwashers in the United States, so it seems those regulations are fine. Hope you don't accidentally fall off a historical ledge that can't get a handrail.

Probably there are plenty of regulations related to safety and suitability regarding electricity, water, washing residue on dishes, etc. Without being more specific, the only thing I can presume is that you were unwilling to follow regulations here. I furnished and equipped my home a couple of years ago, and I had plenty of options for dishwashers, from multiple brands. Many different models at varied price points. T…

Yep, small biz can't compete with big business.

And to clarify, if there was a single regulatory body, it would be fine. I just didn't want to deal with each country.

Probably a shame since it was totally safe. Too much regulation causes your costs to go up and features to go down.

I don't blame your attitude here. If you can't get something, you want to come up with something that makes you feel better.

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Post by fireflash38 »

eduction wrote: post #261
indoordin0saur wrote: post #198

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I think it's totally great that competing products get produced in the EU. Not a bad thing from anyone's perspective except the owners of those US companies that will now need to compete.

It’s great yes, but if we in the US weren’t proving so untrustworthy, EU startups and tech giants could focus on building things that actually might out innovate us and everyone else. Which would be a win-win. Instead they will spend a lot time duplicating tools where only US companies are providing options, and maybe not innovating much if anything in those areas. Or not enough to matter much. I don’t blame them. Th…

Sometimes rebuilding a tool makes it better. You hopefully learn from the past.
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