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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by RiverCrochet »

simfree wrote: post #343
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

What was the last successful French software project in the Telecom or Conferencing space? This project has been forced into the hands of 40k users, but likely due to a plethora of bugs and user experience issues they are picking a date far in the future for broad deployment. Belledonne Communications has been actively breaking Linphone, conference calling broke back in August 2023 for example and remains broken to t…

Idk, VLC is kinda everywhere and while not the super cutting edge of video playing anymore, is still pretty OK. If they'd just attach a chat and SIP client to VLC they'd be set.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by orwin »

simfree wrote: post #343
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

What was the last successful French software project in the Telecom or Conferencing space? This project has been forced into the hands of 40k users, but likely due to a plethora of bugs and user experience issues they are picking a date far in the future for broad deployment. Belledonne Communications has been actively breaking Linphone, conference calling broke back in August 2023 for example and remains broken to t…

Ffmpeg.

Basically all videoconferencing (except teams) is built on the back of French open source software.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

alopha wrote: post #286
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

Something tells me when the 'something' is a major trade deal with China suddenly it'll be 'oh my god how could you'. The US wants a EU vassal, what they're going to get is an EU that realigned itself to be politically and economically equidistant from the US and China.

The whole point is the USA has been complaining that the EU was/is reducing itself to a vassal. No matter what the USA said or did before they didn't seem to care that they had no power anymore because the USA was there to take care of them.

The EU can't realign itself with China because that would destroy the last fragile bits of the EU economy that are left. They are already having issues with the excess supply lands on their shores even since the USA started tariffs with China. They can't deal with this long term.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by thayne »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

Some Americans. Others of us are very aware of this.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #301
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #269

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lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war.

> lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war. EU countries give final approval to Russian gas ban - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-countries-give-fi... | https://archive.today/wOHeR - January 26th, 2026 > Under the agreement, the EU will halt Russian liquefied natural…

> Considering Russian's invasion started February 24, 2022,

You mean 2014.

But thank you for proving my point. 2014 - 2027 just a short 15 years (assuming it actually happens I have my doubts).

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by surgical_fire »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #354
surgical_fire wrote: post #341

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> It was good enough for the US A lot of things good enough for the US are not considered suitable or safe here. Correctly so, I might add. If your government is not concerned with public safety, why should the EU adopt the same stance?

Well I am unaware of any deaths or injury from dishwashers in the United States, so it seems those regulations are fine. Hope you don't accidentally fall off a historical ledge that can't get a handrail.

Probably there are plenty of regulations related to safety and suitability regarding electricity, water, washing residue on dishes, etc.

Without being more specific, the only thing I can presume is that you were unwilling to follow regulations here.

I furnished and equipped my home a couple of years ago, and I had plenty of options for dishwashers, from multiple brands. Many different models at varied price points.

This tells me that serious companies have little problems to follow regulations to compete here.

This all really sounds like a "you" problem.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

realo wrote: post #199
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

Canada is (was?) the single biggest commercial partner of the USA and Trump, in one of his tantrums, threatened to destroy that this week, with 100% tariffs. Canada is very much in the same boat as the EU.

> Canada is (was?) the single biggest commercial partner of the USA

It is "is" and it will continue to be is probably for the rest of Canada existence. You can't trump geography here and frankly Canada's decades of under investment in shipping infrastructure means they need to use USA ports for foreign trade anyway.

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Post by retired »

skeletal88 wrote: post #351
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #335

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The issue was the sheer number of various regulations/standards/(taxes?) changing by country. It was good enough for the US.

What was different between countries? For electronic products, it should be enough to get the CE mark on your product, and it can be sold in any country. That is the point of the EU, that any company can sell it's products or services in the whole union, there are regulations, but they are union wide, not specific for each country. Unless you were making something very special, that each country wants to and is allow…

If you sell products to all 27 EU members and sell above a certain threshold you will have to work with all 27 tax offices in regard to VAT. There is OSS for B2C but that comes with significant downsides.

The US does not have that.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

rchaud wrote: post #280
CMay wrote: post #232

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Because Canada has been in trade talks with China and may potentially lower its tariffs on China which gives them a back door into the US. There are some specifics and it's all conditional. It depends on the kinds of deals it settles on.

It's not a back door to anything. It's competition for the US and Japanese automotive manufacturers who are protected by the existing tariffs.

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Post by [deleted] »

surgical_fire wrote: post #341
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue was the sheer number of various regulations/standards/(taxes?) changing by country. It was good enough for the US.

> It was good enough for the US A lot of things good enough for the US are not considered suitable or safe here. Correctly so, I might add. If your government is not concerned with public safety, why should the EU adopt the same stance?

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