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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by swiftcoder »

dlahoda wrote: post #22
idontwantthis wrote: post #13

I wonder if the EU will begin trying to recruit American software engineers. I’d love to move to France.

Will not. You should love to move youself to pay 30% more taxes and work for 30% less salary (not sure what percentage to apply first).

> pay 30% more taxes

This is scaremongering - taxes are in no way 30% higher in EU.

Someone pulling mid-6-figures in the Valley is already paying a ~35% effective tax rate (state + medicare + federal). That same person taking a low-6-figures job in Spain would pay ~40% effective tax rate - and Beckam's Law would likely cut that to 24% for the first 6 years in any case

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by boringg »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #129
bestouff wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and Canada doesn't seem very keen on going on like this.

Canada has roughly the population of California, and Aus/NZ combined have populations less than California. For these types of market analyses, these countries are closer to US states in market potential.

What's is your argument? That tech companies don't need them? Sounds like such a brutally myopic american take.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by omnimus »

mcoliver wrote: post #79
duxup wrote: post #61

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What is that option?

Visio with live kit (part of lasuite) or opendesk with jitsi would be my guess. https://livekit.io/ https://www.clever.cloud/product/visio/ https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ https://jitsi.org/ https://www.opendesk.eu/en As an aside I am surprised it has taken this long but seems inevitable now given the last 18 months.

My bet would be that "the standard" will be Heinlein Groups (company behind mailbox.org) OpenTalk (already better than Jitsy) and now they are doing OpenCloud as scaleable NextCloud alternative. The company behind the projects needs it for their own usecases, has stable business and they have decades of experience.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by hintymad »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

In a way, isn't it what the Americans and even the current administration want? We want a strong Europe who is keen on preserving and developing the glorious modern civilization that it created. We want a strong Europe who can build and innovate instead of regulating and fining. In contrast, we certainly don't want see the disastrous joke like Northvolt. We certainly don't want to see the joke that BASF shut down its domestic factories and invested north of 10B in China for state-of-the-art factories. Oh, and we certainly don't want to see a Europe that couldn't defeat Russia and couldn't even out-manufacture Russia, even though Russia's GDP is merely of Guangzhou's.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

jbm wrote: post #184
harikb wrote: post #94

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Products don't necessarily win on merit. Microsoft Teams "won" entirely because it was given away free with Office. Even though it is acceptable these days, it was horrible when it started. There is no way it could have won without unlimited backing from a bigger force. You have to see EU trying these things in the same light.

I have made most of my karma off of trashing Teams, and while it is "better" than it was before (I rarely get infinite loops crashing my browser now), it is hard to call it acceptable. Yesterday I was supposed to have a call. I have the app open and it never once let me know that there was a meeting. The entire purpose is supposed to be collaboration with other people; if they aren't going to notify me on the web app…

> Yesterday I was supposed to have a call. I have the app open and it never once let me know that there was a meeting.

Lol, we use WebEx, and someone actually went and developed an internal app to make it usable by piloting WebEx through accessibility APIs (including starting the call a minute before the meeting starts).

So it's not just a failing of Teams.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by omnimus »

duxup wrote: post #108
omnimus wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter. Office suites are a commodity. Google suite is knockoff of MS Office at certain point in time. That's just the nature of digital - information want's to be free.

I feel like we would see a lot more movement if we’ve reached the commodity point…

It's network effects / lock-in. There is a reason why people still use Microsoft Office and that is that surprising amount of industries have everything build around it. In my country anything law related is submitted in Microsoft Word. Academic texts? Microsoft Word. Communication with government? Microsoft Word.

The reason why Google Docs somewhat managed to break this was 1. free, 2. multiplayer/easy to share.

One law about requiring the state documents to be submitted in open formats, editable in libre software... and the lock instantly breaks.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by indoordin0saur »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

I think it's totally great that competing products get produced in the EU. Not a bad thing from anyone's perspective except the owners of those US companies that will now need to compete.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by realo »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

Canada is (was?) the single biggest commercial partner of the USA and Trump, in one of his tantrums, threatened to destroy that this week, with 100% tariffs.

Canada is very much in the same boat as the EU.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by xiphias2 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT. They had their chance with Mistral and failed spectacularly with just creating anti-AI regulations.

As a European I'm happy to use their product (and pay for it), I just ask one tiny little thing from them: build a better model with lower latency.

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