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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by tptacek »

jacquesm wrote: post #360
tptacek wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't flag it, but it's not an example of the kind of productive comment I was talking about either.

I recall us having a conversation about checks and balances long ago and you were pretty strongly trusting in those keeping the US safe in the longer term. I am quite curious what your expectations are for the mid-terms and the presidential election three years from now based on the recent past, are you willing to write about that?

I don't understand what you're trying to do here but think at this point it'd be best if we just disengaged. Sorry, and thanks for understanding.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by dang »

jLaForest wrote: post #359
dang wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political discussion isn't banned on HN. If you want to understand the approach we take, https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... has pointers to many explanations, including recent ones. I'm not saying we always make the right calls on individual stories—we don't—but we try our best to apply those principles, as well as to explain them clearly. --- Edit: you edited your comment after I replied…

Nobody is reading this back and forth between us because you chose to keep this post flagged...

I'm replying to you, and that seems to be working!

If other users need this information, there are thousands of other posts where they can get it, and we post more every day. It's more or less always the same information because the underlying principles don't change, or at least haven't in a long while.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Acatalepsy »

TrnsltLife wrote: post #340
lamontcg wrote: post #45

People are kind of missing the fact that you can draw a line from slave catchers and slave patrols to ICE. You don't have to go through Germany.

Not really. Slaves were brought here against their will. Illegal immigrants snuck in against ours.

So what? Are you're saying what ICE is doing is justified somehow?

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by mindslight »

zahlman wrote: post #350
johnnyanmac wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought we hated tone policing here? I don't see anything wrong with it. Yes, the executive branch wants chaos. If we can't agree on that (something both sides of the lane agree on, even of the reaction differs) how can we really dig into solutions?

> I thought we hated tone policing here? The guidelines read clearly to me like tone policing is expected: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to…

> Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Yes, this is exactly what my framing was doing - it is more substantive, positing a starting point for people who earnestly want to solve this problem. How the heck do we save, or at least triage, our country when we've got a hostile federal executive trying to start a civil war (among many other types of overt damage) ?

This conversation is open to people of all political persuasions except Trumpists/fascists (or whatever you want to call yourself). I myself am coming from more of a libertarian / Austrian economics background. I can have some wildly different takes on constructive solutions than someone who is a lifelong Democrat, or a conservative who has been pushed out of the Republican party.

The thing you seem to keep missing is that you were not invited to this conversation - or more accurately you've self-selected out. You could choose to join the conversation at any time, but to do this you need to stop throwing out these disruptive upside-down framings that are basically just promulgating the rogue regime's unapologetic litany of bullshit that's trotted out every time they kill another American.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by johnnyanmac »

zahlman wrote: post #350
johnnyanmac wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought we hated tone policing here? I don't see anything wrong with it. Yes, the executive branch wants chaos. If we can't agree on that (something both sides of the lane agree on, even of the reaction differs) how can we really dig into solutions?

> I thought we hated tone policing here? The guidelines read clearly to me like tone policing is expected: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to…

You forgot the ones happened to be the reason I responded:

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

> Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by ryandrake »

dang wrote: post #356
ryandrake wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Ultimately, as users, we need to trust that you guys are taking the right actions to defend against what appears from our point of view to be a sustained and coordinated cyber attack on the website. I hope I speak for a lot of my fellow users, that we trust it is being treated with the seriousness that you'd treat any other security vulnerability.

I went through and looked at all the accounts that flagged the current thread, which took a long time since there were many of them. I found a handful (about half a dozen) who looked to be flagging for exclusively political reasons. That's a small fraction of the total. In other words, the situation on this story turns out to fit the usual pattern as I described it a few weeks ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

Ultimately we have to trust you, dang. Thanks for the example posted here.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by nicbou »

jacquesm wrote: post #346
nicbou wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth, I visit HN before my first coffee, and I am fine with not getting a faceful of US politics first thing in the morning. If I need that I can look in any other direction already. I visit this website specifically because it talks about other things.

Tying your flagging behavior to your first coffee is abuse of flagging. There are at any given time 100's of people drinking their first coffee, if that's the criterium then HN will become a wasteland.

I'm tying it to the Hacker News guidelines, if you care to look at them

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Schmerika »

tim333 wrote: post #328
Schmerika wrote: post #286

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Since when can you not comment on flagged stories though? Or see them in your own favorites?? Like, I can still comment on other flagged stories even now, but on that one I couldn't. It's since been unflagged, so I guess I can't prove it, but I've never seen this site act like that... Real memory hole stuff.

I was able to comment on that story which is unflagged. Maybe a tech glitch?

It was since unflagged, and people can comment on it again, but look at the stamps. There's a good two hours there after the first few comments where no one could say anything.

And during that time it was removed from the submitter's page, the new page, and my favorites (it's back now).

Would have to have been a pretty weird and consistent glitch for a site that hasn't changed much in like 20 years.

Half tempted to email HN and ask what was going on there, only I wouldn't expect honesty.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

mindslight wrote: post #365
zahlman wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I thought we hated tone policing here? The guidelines read clearly to me like tone policing is expected: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to…

> Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. Yes, this is exactly what my framing was doing - it is more substantive , positing a starting point for people who earnestly want to solve this problem. How the heck do we save, or at least triage, our country when we've got a hostile federal executive trying to start a civil war (among many other types of overt damage) ?…

> This conversation is open to people of all political persuasions except Trumpists/fascists

> The thing you seem to keep missing is that you were not invited to this conversation

I didn't vote for Trump, don't live in the US, wouldn't have voted for Trump, and am not a fascist, so I don't understand the objection. But even if I were any or all of those things, I would not require your permission to post here.

It is worth noting that you are the one in this exchange seeking to establish authoritarian control.

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