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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by sifar »

tptacek wrote: post #206
tombert wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me just preempt this by saying that I think you and tomhow do a very good job at moderating, and I'm just some goober on the internet sitting on a high-horse, so take what I say with as much respect as possible. Hacker News is my favorite forum in no small part because this forum's users are, on average, a lot more educated than the average internet user. If not formally, a lot of the people here still do value l…

I think a useful litmus test for these kinds of stories is: do the people who most actively participate on them believe there's a conversation to be had, with multiple perspectives, not all of which agree with theirs? That's what this site is for. If not, they're wrong for this site; more than wrong, corrosive. The stories themselves aren't bad (I have a lot of strong political beliefs too), but they're incompatible…

>> I think a useful litmus test for these kinds of stories is: do the people who most actively participate on them believe there's a conversation to be had, with multiple perspectives, not all of which agree with theirs? That's what this site is for.

This would disqualify more than half of AI/LLM/ stories. This seems like a cope out. It is our inability as tech people to embrace the discomfort that is not rational and engage with it.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by AlecSchueler »

palata wrote: post #89
burky wrote: post #34

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I think it's more than just poorly trained agents. Also framing it as "a gun goes off" doesn't track with the video footage I saw.

I am totally against ICE, but I came here to say that I agree with the parent. In situations of stress like this, you never know how one may react. It takes a great deal of training to be able to stay calm and rational in such situations. Obviously, the ICE agents have to rationalise what they do. "We are the good guy, we work against the bad guys". But I don't think that they wake up in the morning hoping that they…

> It takes a great deal of training to be able to stay calm and rational in such situations.

Then why are they letting people take these positions without specific training and why are they letting them return to work immediately after making fatal mistakes? Why are those above them immediately covering up their mistakes and why are their colleagues illegally tampering with evidence after the events take place?

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by nicbou »

Zigurd wrote: post #149
messe wrote: post #112

This should not have been flagged off the front page. I really worry for the people in the US, but I'm hopeful it's hegemony is ending.

Techno accelerationists don't like to be reminded of their complicity.

Every thread about US politics has this comment, and the same response: this is not the right outlet, and some people feel like this content does not fit the topic of the website.

If you are not American, it’s rather tiring to have every website and news outlet talk about it ad nauseum, and have it take over every subreddit and conversation. Americans get all uppity when you tell them that you don’t want that, as if their news are so important that they transcend categorisation.

I care. It’s important. It’s just not the right website.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by nicbou »

zzleeper wrote: post #213
dang wrote: post #210

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Let me see if I can outline how we approach this in a way that might make sense to you... People use the word "transparency" to mean different things. Here are the ways in which I think it's fair to say we're transparent about mod actions: (1) we explain the principles that we apply, frequently and at length; and (2) we're happy to answer questions, including about specific cases. What we don't do is publish a comple…

The problem is that a relatively small group of people (flaggers) just veto what we see and don't see. This made sense when we relied on flagging to just remove spam, useless posts, etc. but its now being used to remove anything that goes against MAGA. I'm pretty sure that if you sqldump the list of flaggers of this and other posts (like the MN posts) you will find it's not a uniformly distributed list of users.

They flag what goes against the topic of the website, and the HN guidelines. Not everyone wants every website to be about US politics, and that is not a right wing conspiracy.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by wslh »

mocheeze wrote: post #36
wslh wrote: post #18

I don’t understand how there aren’t demonstrations happening almost everywhere in the US by now.

There are though. Regularly.

Could you point please to several of them? I am aware of the Minnesota ones but there are 50 states in the US.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by nicbou »

dang wrote: post #197
tombert wrote: post #142

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I think generally the mods like to avoid anything involving "politics" since it's likely to start a flame war. The issue, of course, is that literally anything can be "political", and moreover by trying to actively avoid political discussions you sort of tacitly endorse the status quo. It's a tough line to draw, and I'd be lying if I said where I knew where to draw it; HN is a fun forum specifically because the moder…

> the mods like to avoid anything involving "politics" since it's likely to start a flame war. You're correct that we like to avoid flamewars, but not correct to say "anything involving politics". We don't try to (or want to) avoid politics altogether—a certain number of threads with political overlap have always been part of the mix here*. For (reams of) past explanations see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&pa…

For what it’s worth, I visit HN before my first coffee, and I am fine with not getting a faceful of US politics first thing in the morning. If I need that I can look in any other direction already. I visit this website specifically because it talks about other things.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by figgis »

dang wrote: post #214
zzleeper wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that a relatively small group of people (flaggers) just veto what we see and don't see. This made sense when we relied on flagging to just remove spam, useless posts, etc. but its now being used to remove anything that goes against MAGA. I'm pretty sure that if you sqldump the list of flaggers of this and other posts (like the MN posts) you will find it's not a uniformly distributed list of users.

You've replied before I even had a chance to add a second sentence! Edit: admittedly it is taking longer than usual... I've answered that point many times, e.g. recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 . If you take a look at that and have a question that isn't answered there (or here), I'd be happy to take a crack at it. I haven't had a chance to look at the flaggers of these recent stories to ve…

This is a really rough spot, giving users the tools to remove visibility from a post will eventually get abused. I would genuinely be interested in some form of anonymized stats on the individual accounts and the posts they are flagging but that's a whole deal.

Am I wrong that there used to be a flagged option on the lists page, or am I missing where that is?

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by senordevnyc »

nicbou wrote: post #233
Zigurd wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Techno accelerationists don't like to be reminded of their complicity.

Every thread about US politics has this comment, and the same response: this is not the right outlet, and some people feel like this content does not fit the topic of the website. If you are not American, it’s rather tiring to have every website and news outlet talk about it ad nauseum, and have it take over every subreddit and conversation. Americans get all uppity when you tell them that you don’t want that, as if…

Then go ignore it on your country’s version of HN.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by blks »

Everyone having doubts, just wait until it’s time for the new presidential election, and see if power will be given up willingly.

Hopefully old man won’t be around that long

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