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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by znkynz »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #41
baal80spam wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some are optimizing for better lives Of course. I just hope these people know that for example healthcare in Europe is by no means free.

My health insurance for a family of four in Spain is $2k/year. In the US, it was exceeding $25k/year with premiums, copays, deductibles, etc. While not free, it is accessible. There was a time in my life we had to decide in the middle of the night if we could afford to take one of our children to the ER in the US when they were a newborn. I will never have that feeling in Europe, and that is priceless. Tax me more, I…

That article is just mindblowing. My countries Health Service is far from perfect, but that is insanity.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by KptMarchewa »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

China, India. There are little EU-wide network effects similar to American ones.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by znkynz »

nxm wrote: post #55
eloisant wrote: post #46

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Taxes are not really an issue because of the services you get out of it: free healthcare, free education for your kids, etc. But yes, salary before taxes is much lower than in the US. If your goal is to make as much money as possible, either stay in US or move to a different European country (Northern Europe or Switzerland).

As a software engineer in the US you're not really worrying about access to health care, and have access to public schools as well.

What happens to your health insurance if you get too sick to work?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by softwaredoug »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #202
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

China, India. There are little EU-wide network effects similar to American ones.

Outside companies don't do well in China

India doesn't have nearly the purchasing power of EU or US

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by [deleted] »

iso1631 wrote: post #179
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #129

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Canada has roughly the population of California, and Aus/NZ combined have populations less than California. For these types of market analyses, these countries are closer to US states in market potential.

Sure. Canada has a GDP of: Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska, Mississippi, New Mexico, Idaho, New Hampshire, Hawaii, West Virginia, Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming and Vermont put together. That's the equivalent of 18 states. Throw in Aus and NZ too and you add another 7 states -- Louisiana, Alabama, Utah, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Nevada and Iowa. Ontario alone has a larger GDP…

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by thfuran »

skeletal88 wrote: post #186
cmiles8 wrote: post #124

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I don’t think that’s accurate. These issues were always there, but “the sky is falling” rhetoric is all the rage at the moment (in both directions).

The US is not trustworthy anymore. Your president is switching randomly from on insane idea to something equally insane. Canada doesnt want to the the 51st state. Greenland is part of Denmark, which is in the EU, which has been the biggest ally for the US and now your president was not ruling out using force to take over greenland. Trump fans are saying "this is how he negotiates, don't mind", etc but anything coming…

>but anything coming from him os just random bullshit and nothing he says can be believed because the next day he can be 180* on the same topic

Not to mention that threatening to go to war with an ally as a negotiating tactic is crazy regardless of how inconsistent you are about it.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by realo »

iso1631 wrote: post #179
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada has roughly the population of California, and Aus/NZ combined have populations less than California. For these types of market analyses, these countries are closer to US states in market potential.

Sure. Canada has a GDP of: Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska, Mississippi, New Mexico, Idaho, New Hampshire, Hawaii, West Virginia, Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming and Vermont put together. That's the equivalent of 18 states. Throw in Aus and NZ too and you add another 7 states -- Louisiana, Alabama, Utah, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Nevada and Iowa. Ontario alone has a larger GDP…

I am pretty sure many in Minnesota right now would love to be able to exit the current fascist regime and be part of Canada instead ...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by omnimus »

jorvi wrote: post #117
cmiles8 wrote: post #70

I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

The way out of this hole is by the EU mandating a 5, 10 and 20 year plan for getting off US tech and pivoting to open source. Start with a target small municipality in each country. Switch to SUSE (with a desktop that supports Active Directory), Collabora and what not. Then switch the mail stack. Then the files stack. Etc. Next step is scaling it up to a small city, then a big city, then a province, and finally the w…

The problem is that european politicians don't want to kill the tech $$$. They just want to bring the revenue home. They don't understand that they will never make EU big tech and that their only feasible path forward to get rid of US tech is also the path that kills the goose.

But that process is inevitable, it's already happening. What is not inevitable is hardware sovereignty. If EU doesn't have some form of hardware independence then they might just end up forced to use the US software stack.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by markvdb »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #43
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #29

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Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.

I agree with Scaleway (I would more compare it to Digital Ocean) but OVH is really good and comparable.

My fingers always ache when I hear praise for the company that through its incompetence nearly lost me my company's domain name... twice. Shame on me for staying with them.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by guerrilla »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #128
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

India, but many companies aren't willing to price for the market nor respect corporate norms there.

> nor respect corporate norms there.

What do you mean?

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