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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by swiftcoder »

captain_coffee wrote: post #16
idontwantthis wrote: post #13

I wonder if the EU will begin trying to recruit American software engineers. I’d love to move to France.

I doubt Americans will even pick up the phone or respond to LinkedIn messages / emails when they will se the budgets for the software Engineering roles in the EU. I am saying that as an European, just to be clear.

I know several folks who've migrated from US -> EU tech roles in the last few years. Yes, you earn less and pay (somewhat) more taxes. But if you have a few kids the difference in cost of education pretty much wipes out the difference, and some folks really value the stress reduction of a robust social safety net (layoff protections, healthcare coverage while unemployed, etc)

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by SoftTalker »

cmiles8 wrote: post #70

I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

Yes, decade(s?) ago some city or state in Germany decided to ditch Microsoft for Linux and OpenOffice. It didn't go well and they eventually backtracked.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by eb0la »

i_love_retros wrote: post #96

Seriously, why are people still using twitter? It's owned by a Nazi supporter, is full of white nationalist racist posters, and seems a strange place to announce you are moving off of American tech.

Politicians use it a lot. Because media and journalist started using it.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by mrits »

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #166
cmiles8 wrote: post #70

I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

Sry but the world where ”markets decided” pretty much anything ended when Trump started his second term. EU is finishing a trade deal with India that creates a market of 2 billion people. Europe and China are closer than ever. I’m sure we can get along with Teans and police state just fine.

Half the EU are a few percentage points away from electing their version of trump.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

_ache_ wrote: post #137
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic to use Github to post about sovereignty )

I'm trying to not use it myself but yes, la suite numérique should get out of GitHub. They already did it for the Ministry of Education with [La Forge]( https://docs.forge.apps.education.fr/ ). Used to be forgejo, now a GitLab instance.

GitLab, a YC and by extension an American company )

This can go as far as we want )

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by iamEAP »

nxm wrote: post #55
eloisant wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxes are not really an issue because of the services you get out of it: free healthcare, free education for your kids, etc. But yes, salary before taxes is much lower than in the US. If your goal is to make as much money as possible, either stay in US or move to a different European country (Northern Europe or Switzerland).

As a software engineer in the US you're not really worrying about access to health care, and have access to public schools as well.

I left the US, not because I was worried about healthcare for myself or my family, but because of how I felt it reflected on me that I was fine choosing to stay and cash a large check every month while others around me had to worry about healthcare.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by eb0la »

the_sleaze_ wrote: post #35
idontwantthis wrote: post #13

I wonder if the EU will begin trying to recruit American software engineers. I’d love to move to France.

They've been incentivizing it for years. Talent passport, EU Blue card and the Tech Visa. As I have heard they'll pay you to move there. Expect 50% salary and taxes that will make your eyes water. French bureaucracy is kafkaesque even in 2026. Other than that I agree I'd love to move there.

But in the other hand you don't have to worry about mass shootings. You can freely walk (mostly) wherever you want without risking your life (that is not normal in most of the world). And you're not going bankrupt because of a minor/medium medical condition.

Europe is a _very_ different place.

Not everything here is so bad.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by iso1631 »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #129
bestouff wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and Canada doesn't seem very keen on going on like this.

Canada has roughly the population of California, and Aus/NZ combined have populations less than California. For these types of market analyses, these countries are closer to US states in market potential.

Sure.

Canada has a GDP of:

Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska, Mississippi, New Mexico, Idaho, New Hampshire, Hawaii, West Virginia, Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming and Vermont

put together.

That's the equivalent of 18 states.

Throw in Aus and NZ too and you add another 7 states -- Louisiana, Alabama, Utah, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Nevada and Iowa.

Ontario alone has a larger GDP than 45 of the 50 US states, and a bigger GDP than New Hampshire, Hawaii, West Virginia, Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming and Vermont put together.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by SoftTalker »

jetbalsa wrote: post #106
cmiles8 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, Betamax was technically superior to VHS. But in the end the market still decides… nobody said “better” means technically superior… just something people want to use an other options available to them. “Good enough” with attractive value to the individual/business typically wins.

Not to get too much into a debate about Beta vs VHS, but VHS did have longer run times and its cheapness was the main reason it won, It just fit better for the consumer overall desires at the time

Exactly. It's about whose definition of "better" you use. Sony thought that a better picture would win out, and it did where that mattered: TV studios and video-journalists used Betamax until digital formats took over. For consumers, "better" meant cheaper tapes and longer run time.

JVC also licensed the VHS format to many manufacturers, so there was a lot of competition on recorders, further driving the price of ownership down. I don't recall anyone ever selling Betamax other than Sony.

Edit: JVC actually released VHS as an open standard, not a license, per Wikipedia.

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